If, as is being suggested on here, McNamara is on about £100 grand a year (!!!!!!!) and was offered a four and a half year deal, we have basically invested nearly half a million pounds on him!

Now I have no idea why you are bringing up a point I did not actually make (bar the fact that you seem to have a bit of form for this) but, I will explain. IF we are so skint (as is widely acknowledged) then why did we set aside this sort of money to pay a rookie coach over such a long time? Because now, three years down the line, with crowds dwindling and more and more people becoming disillusioned with the club, we seemingly cannot afford to pay him off. (oddly enough, this was another point I made a while back but I was shot down in flames for suggesting that McNamara would only stay in his job because we could not afford to sack him. Strange to see people taking this view now and moralising.... )

Anyway - 100 grand a year? Almost 4 grand a GAME????? Rather than say that



I wonder if you could maybe argue if we have had much value for money from this appointment? And, also, maybe ask yourself if that 100 grand a year could maybe have been slightly better spent? And also, why give an unproven coach such a long and expensive contract?

Or maybe the right words were used at a fan's forum in order to try and attract more people to the club based on promises that may not have been kept due to the economic situation that they could later rely on for comfort?

We are being Hoodwinked.












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Maybe not. Maybe, as I keep saying, the club is having to tread a fine line on cash flow, and this restricts the opportunities (not that some people on here seem to ever listen to that argument).

Or maybe we are, or are close, but people assume we are not in comparison with the comparative perceived quality of squads. Some of the points I have raised regarding the "flexible" nature of the cap if certain devices are employed (and the naivity in assuming that players of a club spending to the cap are always actually receiving no more than the cap in total) in relevant circumstances might help explain that.

As for what head coaches get paid - I don't have any specific information. But do people expect them to do a job in the top flight - where you could get sacked at any time and where you have a very uncertain career future - for nothing? And when senior players are on substantial packages? And remember you have to add maybe 20% for NI, insurance and other on-costs. The naivity sometimes is breathtaking.

Unfortunately true. As for the money argument, our success since '97 was never related to the money we spent. Up until the Harris signing we were just very good at getting great value from our signings.

Could be along the lines of:

SM - "If you want me to go, that's how much I want to be paid"
Hands piece of paper with figure written on.
PH - "You are doing a good job, lets assess the situation at the end of the season"








maybe...

Unfortunately the cost of running Odsal since 2003 along with some poor decisions made on signings has really cost us.

Spite?

I think we also need to add in the fact that there are now more clubs in SL and more of them are (reportedly) paying the full cap as against fewer than half a few years back.

This means that the value of a top rated player is greater than it was (even in 2005) and the cap amount has been more or less static over the same period. More clubs chasing the same number of players means that any single club will logically have fewer stars than they did. Unless, of course, you can come up with some wizard accounting method which allows the cap to be circumvented....................

Its a good job the various devices I have flagged up over the last week or so have been completely hypothetical, isn't it? After all, we can all see how the cap is now working to ensure that each team has pretty well the same average level of ability and experience in the squad, with no clubs having a surfeit of internationals, so that just goes to prove no-one CAN be up to wizard accounting tricks. Doesn't it? No, really...

Okay, so while the topic is still regarding McNamara not being sacked..

While I was one of the many saying his time as head coach should come to a halt - I'm now backtracking after last night and will now reserve further judgment until after a few more games - just to see how we back it up.

One little snippet to show what a useless coach Macca clearly is: when we ran that penalty in front of the sticks - from which ultimately Worrincy scored - Macca clearly told the team to run it. Never gets anything right with his tactics, does he?

What a fraud, surely must have been a fluke that the 'chump' got his side up for a game against a top side. What with his clueless coaching, naive tactics and him spending the game colouring with his crayons. Blah blah blah...

Whether McNamara is a 'top coach' is perhaps still up for debate, but some of the bile posted about him on here has been grossly unfair. Just hope the players can continue on now and string some decent 80 minute performances together.

Awful attempt at a dig ignored, until he starts winning such games regularly, a fluke is very much what this will be viewed as. It was an excellent win, yes, but the guy is/was under pressure for a reason and he and the team have to build on this. We shall see where we go from here before the supplies of andrex run out in some parts of west yorkshire.

I heard that all supplies had been diverted to Scotland following our cup loss to Catalans.

Or maybe it was the supplies of Kleenex running out in some parts of Scotland last night?

I know that last night was much improved on recent weeks but a few posters on here are getting a little carried away.

Indeed some are.

What! On here. Daft postings about the coach????? Would you Adam and Eve it........................

Dunno about the rest of you guys, but I'd rather get "a little carried away" delighted to be catching our lot doing things right, than "a little carried away" forever delighting in catching them doing things wrong?

But then again, that's maybe the fundamental and irreconcilable difference between positivity and negativity?

Sorry Adey it's my fault I didn't make my point clearly enough. The point I tried to make was that after the games that were disapointing result wise we were told not to rush to make judgements. But after a win that practice seems not to apply anymore.

Edited for accuracy. Whatever it was, it was no fluke and it is very ungracious of you to pick that word. As a win, it was 100% merited, they worked their backsides off and played well to do it. I suspect this annoys you, and this is why in a rush to disparage it, you picked a completely inappropriate noun.


Yes, it was. Not a "fluke"!


No , Sherlock! Any more banal truisms?


Yes, you want to talk with the benefit of hindsight, and your ongoing hope that McNamara and the Bulls will fail is revealed by your spiteful dig at Bulls fans who are happy at the magnificent win.

Well said FA!

Yes it was a dig, a dig at someone who has posted a fair amount of unfair and insulting crap over the last few months especially. The team and coaching has deserved criticism but some on here have gone way beyond what I would deem fair or warranted. Just my thoughts.



Getting carried away? Certainly not.. this counts for very little if we revert back to the type of performances we have seen before last night. McNamara still has to prove he is the right man for many fans on the terraces. But I will certainly enjoy this victory, it felt very sweet after the time and money spent seeing some poor displays by the side this year.

In which case, I'll agree with that. One swallow and all that, and we've a hell of way to go yet. Although tbf I've not seen anyone really (other than Mick, obviously...

) suggesting the practice has changed?

My post was anyway not aimed at you, since you are not one of the very sad insecure people who gives the impression of delighting in catching (or inventing) people doing things wrong.

Churchill said (about El Alamein) that it was not the end, nor indeed was it the beginning of the end; but it was, perhaps, the end of the beginning. It would be good to think that we will look back on last night as being a similar tipping point. I'm not counting any chickens, but I'm hoping!

I'm confident about the next few games, and hopefully the good win against champions will send us on a roll. But again, I better not count any chickens yet.