Stick a fork in us, we're done.

I'm surprised Cummings still has a job irrespective of the farcical ownership issues.

It's Cummins .... Agent Francis Cummins

I never thought I would see the day when Bradford would put out a performance as bad as that. I think the players should at least be playing for pride and showing some fight. As for Cummins, the only way he would make a good coach is to have his teeth removed and have some seats put in. Absolutely clueless!

You maybe never know what you're going to get with the Bulls, but the range of chocolates is very predictable and restricted.

I didn't think the pack did all that badly overall, but the box had far too many of our strawberry creams - that is, the soft belly of gaping defence holes, even early on when "fresh", coupled with the wafer thin mint tackles that a glass gnat wouldn't have trouble breaking through. Professional players should not consistently be embarrassed repeatedly like that.

Most of our attack chocolates were predictable and boring fudges. Even when we worked a good spell - was it six sets? - on their line, which was good, we never once looked remotely like we might capitalise and score.

And we inevitably threw in the now endemic procession of schoolboy howlers, like leaving a routine high kick to bounce.

It didn't help my mood to be reminded that but for Harrisgate, Leon would have been tormenting Cats and not vice versa, and but for recent meltdowns, Whitehead would have been in our pack not theirs. However, they would still have needed a squad who were prepared to break their backs for the cause for 80 minutes, and not stand around leaving it to others.

Shameful effort.

Missed the last two games Hudds. Catalan due to Holidays, wow aint I the lucky one? Except I have them both on video! My question is, should I watch them, or stick lighted matchsticks under my fingernails? Sounds like finger nails is the less painful option!

I've seen the odd single chocolate analogy, but never a box before. Very enjoyable, almost as good as my Betty's Yorkshire curd tart. And much better than car analogies which people tend to favour. I hate car analogies.

I wouldn't waste your time if I was you. Maybe watch the highlights if you really think you might be missing out!!

are you sure I was going to watch the recording later tonight

Don't punish yourself - have an early night it will do you more good. This for me was the most disappointing game of the season. Previously we had excuses. Not being paid, ownership issues No props, no size, too many injuries. Today we had props and some size, some players back and we put in a performance like that. I assume we had been hammering into the players this week, that this is a tough but winnable game. Speccies pay good money to get out there and follow the lads. All to no avail. Where was the heart, where was the effort. Absolutely gutless.

Foster, Henry, Gale (where was he!) can all go for me, choose which ever division we are in. Can we not get Nobby in, if only on a consultancy basis, to show us how to tackle and defend. Its the only way of saving us. If it puts some peoples noses out of joint - tough.

The hardest thing to take is thought that Wakey must be p*****g themselves laughing at us.(and the rest of league for that matter, embarrassing doesn't cover it) As somebody said on Sky, if Wakey take a lead a lead, we are sunk. I seriously question whether we have the bottle for it. I fear next Sunday is going to test our nerves badly.

Rant over.

Beechwood Bull, if anything next sunday is going to test Wakey's nerves as we have a habit of cocking things up and kickstarting a team's season, especially under Agar.

I pray you are right. We need divine intervention for wherever it comes. Last chance saloon for us, particularly if we get little or no points back. Thanks for the comments though, you offer some hope!!

TBH, points deduction or not, we would still be where we are in the league, and deservedly so too. We offer nothing to SL at the moment and the only thing that we are doing is giving a lot of people a damn good laugh at our demise.

Something is clearly not right. That can't be the best that those players are capable of surely?

Cummins should NOT be sacked, however. He should do the honourable thing and resign. Walk away from it, admitting he is not up to the task. If we sack him, then we need to pay him off and that money would be better off spent elsewhere.

Let's hope he has the decency to do the right thing.

Our runners in attack are too static. They don't run hard enough and don't draw defenders, leaving us with no overlap in those situations. We also have no direction when going forward. Without Diskin, it falls on Gale to control the attack, and he's not up to it. We've scored 20 points in the last 3 games.

As for the defence, I can't remember a season where we've shipped so many points. 150 points conceded in the last 3 games is just appalling. We don't run up to the offensive line and teams make 10 metres every play the ball with minimal effort. And then, when the opposition get bored, a simple offload is all it takes to put their full back through. Support runners aren't required, as Gaskell is stupidly easy to step past. Oldfield, Broughton and Escsare have all skinned him with a simple step.

Agent cummins would never resign. He played in a leeds team tormented by the bulls for years.

He'll be hanging on to the bitter end.

I agree with all previous comments the team performance was embarrassing, the players looked yesterday to have resigned themselves to the club being in the championship next season.
We had our props and Donaldson back (apart from Fakir) and whilst the pack did their job I thought O'Brien and Olbison's tackling was weak.
Catalans obviously decided that they could walk through our threequarters which they did regularly with pathetic attempts from us to chase down and catch their runners.
We had our usual start allowing three very soft tries in the first twelve minutes which included the try from Foster and Gaskell allowing the ball to bounce but which, as stated on Sky, should still have been stopped if Foster could tackle.
Gale was I think still suffering from the hamstring injury which kept him out of the game against Saints so Addy did most of the kicking work.
Not looking good for the Wakefield game next week.

Well there is plenty of tries to enjoy, unless you've seen enough at Wakefield this aft?

Correct. This because they are LAZY. All other teams work at having enough dummy runners, or extra people joining the line, or people making run after run so the passer has options. We don't.

Partially correct, Gale only shows flashes and it is miles from good enough, but part of the problem is the almost inevitable lack of options that his "team-mates" give him, due to laziness, so the defence just KNOWS that he is going to kick, or else has no options to cover when he is going to pass.


Correct. This, as anyone watching the video can see, is because too many players are LAZY too much of the time. They can not argue against this. Every other team works hard at shuttling back and forward, most of the time most other teams come out as a line and close down the attack. We don't. Too often, we are stood on our heels and let them charge at us; too often, we just laze idly round whilst attackers run circles around us. Too often, players make no effort to get properly set in a defensive position. Too often, the tackle attempts are lamentable. Too often, not enough players get involved and so too often offloads come out ages after the initial contact.

Actually we have performed better a few ties with Gaskell at FB but even Mumby could do little when exposed against a livewire like Escare. I don't blame Gaskell, Cummins knows what he can and can't do, and how fast he can or can't run, and if he is played at FB you can't expect him to magic up extra pace that he doesn't have. He did look like a man carrying a hamstring, to me, though, he looked really sluggish at times.

I don't mind seeing a few more

I don't buy the players are lazy. For me it's partly we have a number of relatively poor players, and partly due to them being incredibly brittle psychologically.

The response to Cats first try was that of a group of people who wanted to go home. With few exceptions, Naz and Kaufusi we KNEW we were going to get hammered and of course we did.

They've spent weeks playing with no props and you simply stop making dummy runs because you're using up all your energy tackling in the middle. Lulia and Blythe were our best edge defenders last year and they're injured or not really replaced.

A bunch of generally below average players plus the circumstances they've endured equals what we saw on Saturday. I don't see Cummins getting a great deal of support. Signing 19 year olds just in the country is pointless. Neither do I see a group of guys who believe in Cummins anymore irrespective of whether any of it is his fault.

The ball's in Green's court. Either back Cummins with some players (which he hasn't done) or sack him. What we're witnessing now is inevitable relegation.

Sounds like you're describing Wakey at the moment!

I can see where you're coming from there but to me anyone who saw Wigan out-tackle Leeds/Salford with 10 reserves in,mostly youngsters,knows that Cummins,imo,is not capable of getting the VERY BEST out of WHAT HE'S GOT AT HIS DISPOSAL.If all those players who lined up against CATALAN,tackled their hearts out and ran their blood to water for the BULLS CAUSE,then you would say they did their best,left everything on the pitch and Cummins got the best out of them,but the showing at Catalans lacked passion,inspiration and a die-for-the-cause attitude which is Cummin's task as head coach.Agree with just a couple of exceptions,the players are well below top class,but so were the Wigan youngsters and looked what they achieved.
I have to laugh though when quite a few posted at the time,Nahhh,we don't need Whitehead,he can't tackle and Nahh we don't need Bateman he's too small.Laughable now innit as when I see Elliot scoring try after try even in a poorish side and having been injured and I see Bateman who is only 20 years old leading the Wigan side to victory last week,both look set for international honours imo.Bateman,in particular,seems to run his blood to water for the Wigan cause,what a contrast to our lot who,don't forget,are still paid professionals.
IMO--Performances like the Catalan stroll just ain't acceptable---simple as that.

I don't disagree with any of that Madas, apart from the fact that the circumstances at Wigan are the polar opposite.

I agree players are being lazy. Twice against Catalan we had a player runnin across the line, if we had a support player willing to RUN on to the ball we could have made a break. As it was they all just stood there with the attitude "not my turn to take the ball up so I'll have a breather" this is why I get so annoyed when Cummins bangs on about effort and character. Players being on their toes willing to run as a dummy runner when they're not getting the ball is effort and character. We have no one wiling to do that.

On Gale. While havin not dummy runners is players being lazy as mentioned above, Gale is the main half back AND captain. It is his job to get he lazy players running as dummy runners. In pre-season the media and fans seemed to have Sammut and Gaskell as our halves. Cummins seemed to shoot the reporters down rather bitterly when this was put to him stating "Gale was our main HB and it was up to Sammut and Gaskell to fight for the other position" Sammut is now doing well at Wakey, Gaskell is now a headless chicken at FB, and Gale is hopeless at HB. He has NO leadership qualities and is not organising the attacking line. Not once this season have I seen us on the opposition line setup to attack thinking "we've got some moves here. We look organised" we look so unorganised, Gale looks like he has no idea what he's doing when he gets the ball and he usually end up passing it down the line (well I say passing, more like we just lob the ball) Unfortunately we're stuck with him on a long term contract thanks to our coach.

On Gaskell, yor clutching at straws. Escare, actually slowed down, then couldn't believe how much room Gaskell had left him. Once you can maybe accept he made a mistake. But what about Broughtona try? Oldfields try? He hadnt even laid a finger on them! Gaskells not slow (he out paced Watkins) he just has no idea how to play FB. What about the high kicks he has dropped last two games? He is an awful FB. Get him back to 6.

agree one is fighting for their very existence,while the other sits comfortably in the top 4.

Which team should be running their blood to water?