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| What do you think? The team...
S Briscoe (Hull KR); T Briscoe (Hull), L Smith (Leeds), M Shenton (Castleford), R Hall (Leeds); D McGuire (Leeds), R Myler (Salford); A Morley (Warrington), S Moore (Huddersfield), J Peacock (Leeds, capt), G Ellis (Wests Tigers), S Burgess (Bradford), K Sinfield (Leeds).
Subs: K Eastmond (St Helens), J Roby (St Helens), J Graham (St Helens), B Westwood (Warrington).
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| Where's the "Don't Know" option? Any poll worth its salt requires an option for the "Don't Knows".
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Where's the "Don't Know" option? Any poll worth its salt requires an option for the "Don't Knows".'"
According to the Gengis Khan book of polling there are only 2 possible answers - 'for' and 'not for'. Enthusiasm for the latter tended to wane
Ok, so some dude may have said something similar in the bible but
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| H was fairly average in the game against Wales. Has he been picked because of his new employer? I suppose there is at least the possibility of using Eastman as cover though and, maybe, Smith is saving Tomkins for the Aussies?
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| The ginger Briscoe twin at FB is weak, his brother on the wing is a surprise, I would have gone with Neil Fox of HKR. Smith of Leeds Carnegie is maybe the best of a bad bunch (I would have preferred Leon Price). Maguire picks himself, Miller at SH is in as part of the deal that took him to Wire, Tom Kings from the squad but I would have put Burrows with his HB partner. Forwards almost pick themselves.
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| Quote ="tigertot"The ginger Briscoe twin at FB is weak, his brother on the wing is a surprise, I would have gone with Neil Fox of HKR. Smith of Leeds Carnegie is maybe the best of a bad bunch (I would have preferred Leon Price). Maguire picks himself, Miller at SH is in as part of the deal that took him to Wire, Tom Kings from the squad but I would have put Burrows with his HB partner. Forwards almost pick themselves.'"
6.Tomkins
7.McGuire for me
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| With that team Im not even confident against the french. That backline is dross.
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| Quote ="Richard_bull"With that team Im not even confident against the french. That backline is dross.'"
I'll give the French 15 start for a tenner to charidy.
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| Myler starting sends the wrong message imo. He was poor against Wales, whereas Tomkins was very good. That performance should have put Tomkins in the reckoning. As it stands, he's sent out a clear "I don't care how you play, i'm picking my new boy" message.
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| At least the game will be more interesting to watch. I would expect France to give that squad a good game and an England win is by no means guaranteed.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I'll give the French 15 start for a tenner to charidy.'"
I wouldnt be so confident. What i don't understand is if he is 'building for the future' why the hell has he picked someone who has decided to go and play union, he shouldnt be picked coz he is not guna be playing the sport for at least the next few years.
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| Don't forget this is France we are playing. We should win regardless of who is playing at 7.
I think it's a good idea to play Myler on Friday for a number of reasons. Firstly it's another game for him to eliminate any rustiness he may be feeling as a result of not playing many matches recently. Secondly, the less the Aussies and Kiwis know about Tomkins' style of play the better. I'd much rather him pick Tomkins next week and see him be more of an unknown player.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Don't forget this is France we are playing. We should win regardless of who is playing at 7.
I think it's a good idea to play Myler on Friday for a number of reasons. Firstly it's another game for him to eliminate any rustiness he may be feeling as a result of not playing many matches recently. Secondly, the less the Aussies and Kiwis know about Tomkins' style of play the better. I'd much rather him pick Tomkins next week and see him be more of an unknown player.'"
Im sure if the Aussies want to know how Tomkins plays they will have by now, by watchin a number of videos of his games for Wigan.
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| Quote ="Richard_bull"Im sure if the Aussies want to know how Tomkins plays they will have by now, by watchin a number of videos of his games for Wigan.'"
Unless they are blinded by their typical arrogance and complacency and haven't bothered
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| this England team will win against France, the only doubt is how many they will win by.
In the past, GB/England coaches have been slated for playing people out of their usual position on the big stage. Smith doesn't seem to have done this here and should be applauded for it. I, for one, think it's a good side.
No saints players starting though.
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| Quote ="Richard_bull"I wouldnt be so confident. What i don't understand is if he is 'building for the future' why the hell has he picked someone who has decided to go and play union, he shouldnt be picked coz he is not guna be playing the sport for at least the next few years.'"
I'm confident that England would win by 15 even with Deakin as SH. This has nothing to do with the rights & wrongs of the turncoat Smith.
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| Myler is only a baby but between him, Tomkins and Eastmond we have the best half back prospects we've had for a while. It is too soon for all of them, but you put them in (not all the time, and not all at the same time especially against the stronger teams) and you see how they go, because we can't change when internationals come around, and because whatever the outcome, these lads will be better for the experience, so it should stand England in good stead, and because in any event they're likely to do at least as well as the alternatives.
To pick Myler against Wales and then drop him "for having a poor game" would be just silly.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
To pick Myler against Wales and then drop him "for having a poor game" would be just silly.'"
However he was fine to pick Tomkins against Wales and then drop him "for having a very good game". That makes far more sense.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"However he was fine to pick Tomkins against Wales and then drop him "for having a very good game". That makes far more sense.'"
Except you don't actually believe that he has "dropped" Tomkins, though. You can be not playing for a myriad reasons, of which "dropped" is just one. Before someone else launches into a battle of semantics, I define "dropped" as "not being selected due to not playing well enough".
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Except you don't actually believe that he has "dropped" Tomkins, though. You can be not playing for a myriad reasons, of which "dropped" is just one. Before someone else launches into a battle of semantics, I define "dropped" as "not being selected due to not playing well enough".'"
Yeah I know, and no doubt his mind was made up who he was going to play well before the Wales game. Probably around the time he was trying to convince Myler to sign for Warrington. But the fact remains Tomkins played Myler off the park last Saturday and yet he still picked Myler. It gives very much the wrong message to the squad in my opinion.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Yeah I know, and no doubt his mind was made up who he was going to play well before the Wales game. Probably around the time he was trying to convince Myler to sign for Warrington. But the fact remains Tomkins played Myler off the park last Saturday and yet he still picked Myler. It gives very much the wrong message to the squad in my opinion.'"
I agree it might - if Smith hasn't fully kept his players in the loop as to his selection policy and reasons. I would like to believe that he has.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF" It gives very much the wrong message to the squad in my opinion.'"
Except while Smith doesn't have to explain his decisions to each of us I would grant him enough intelligence to explain his actions to the relevant members of the squad.*
*If I hadn't stopped for another gob full of my curry I would have beaten FA to the point.
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| I've no doubt he has explained it to them. And I doubt it's the real reason of "Because Myler now plays for Warrington"
I'm just saying I disagree with the choice based on the evidence I have available.
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| Quote ="phillgee"
No saints players starting though.'"
Scott Moore is a Saints player. HTH
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