ii it me or can somebody tell what jamie langlay offers this club as a loose forward im sorry to say he is useless

sorry typing error i meant langley

You didn't come to the Wakefield game then?

The reason we are in our current position is we need players that do it week out/week in. Every player can point to a particular match when they played well.

Although he might not be the fanciest LF in the world, he makes very few errors and offers us a lot in defence.

But nothing in terms of go forward in attack. He just runs, stops and doesn't keep the legs moving.

Defence isn't the be all and end all, you need more than that.

I think you can if you halves are producing week in week out ours aren't doing this.

I'm a Langley fan, but I must admit that performance today was nothing short of woeful. His defence was shocking, and Ive noticed poor defence and getting bumped from tackles creeping into his game over the past few years. A man of Langers pysique should be dominating the opposition, but he's just not cutting it.

I'd drop him for the next game and start Elliot Whitehead, who looked interested and dangerous today. First time Ive seen him and I was very impressed.

Agree 100%. Langley's defence was awful today and Whitehead looked every inch a first teamer.

Langley is a prop, I've said this before and got ridiculed. His defence is good until he tires. He would be better used in spells. I would love to see us sign a proper loose forward for next year, but I can't see it happening.

Maybe move Burgess to loose for the Leeds game? Looks like Morrison will not be playing anyway..

I've also been saying Langley would be far better as a prop for about 3 years now. However he needs to play like he did against Wakefield, even if he's playing in the front row. If he plays like he has other games, he's not much use anywhere, as he doesn't make any yards.

Normally his defence is something you just can't criticise, but yesterday's game was different. Then again, there were a number of players whose defence was poor, Rinaldi was right at the top of that list for me.

Jamie Langley is not a prop forward by any means whatesoever.

What is he then? He's not a loose-forward.

He's a back row forward. Either loose or second row.

except he doesnt have ball handling skills to play loose. loose forward needs to be capable of oofloading and creating things - langley very rarely does either.

Well he used to be good at those.

He did when he was in the academy yeah. In fact I seem to remember commenting on an academy game and saying he wouldn't make too bad a stand off.

In recent years though he has the same chance of playing 6 as Joe Vagana did.

thats the operative word there. couple of years back he looked like being our long term solution at loose, but for whatever reason he seems to have stalled in his development and even gone slightly backwards.

Personally I don't think it has anything at all to do with the coaching he is getting.

tbh feel he's been stagnating a bit since 2004. didnt he pick up a baddish injury round about then?

I think the only season he's missed a significant amount of game time was a couple of years ago. Struggling to remember 5 years back though, I can barely remember yesterday....

your right - only played 16 games in 2007. your memories obviously better than mine

He can offload and we all know he can.

But being creative and offloading are neither tanatamount to being a good loose though in my opinion, the two best loose forwards currently playing (Dallas Johnson and Paul Gallen) are neither particularly good at either of those things, but they are still outstanding loose forwards arn't they?

He was in brilliant and destructive form before he picked up that bad injury in 2007, he hasn't looked the same sinse. Not sure why it is, but he doesn't seem to be as agaile as he once was.

Dallas Johnson and Paul Gallen are workhorses, and two of the fittest players you'll see. Neither of these qualities are shared by Jamie Langley.