Dont start flapping!

thats quite an insult to direct towards the members of the team that played,especially coming from a leeds supporter.quite sad.

No, you misunderstand.

It's not that the 11 year old would be better than what leeds have got.

It's just that leeds could have drafted in an 11 year old.

and still won.

I have no problem with a trophy for finishing as league leaders - the Minor Premiership or similar name is about right. It says well done for the season so far, and puts you in the best position to get to the GF.

The problem with reading too much into the league table is that because its not the main game any more, the actual standings in a close season could easily be affected by teams resting key players near the end of the season or maybe experimenting with roles - things which they almost certainly wouldn't do if the whole season was based on the league table.

I also agree that the dire WC performances have put a bit of a dampener on thoughts for next season. And really its up to the players, and particularly those of Leeds and Sts to show that they are better than that.

eastwood has played wing, centre and stand off for the broncs! not bad for a bloke you say is slow. after watching him in the world cup live at the games then in my hotel rooms after i have a feeling greg will be ripping super league up no worries and you sir will have a massive splodge of yolk in the eye.

did you not see the famous last play try by the broncs v titans in 08 where lockyer shapes to kick then goes 40 meters and passes inside to the support on his shoulder!! who was it you may ask? oh yeah, mr slow fat boy himself!

will our nsw hero be good will he be bad? who knows?? but im sure buderus will play more games than match winning karl pryce did in his first season at wigan.

by the way, isnt tim smith ready for home??

But Leeds are clearly the better team by timing their run to perfection 2 years running? If it was all about going for 1st spot to win the Championship then how do you know Leeds wouldn't have gone all out to make it? You can't really Say Saints have been the best by finishing 1st when it doesn't really matter, you just win a new wheel trim for your Nova.

Whilst Saints fans can only dream of winning the GF

we've won 4 and 1 title,how about you?

That's a typical one-eyed view and we note how you fail to mention that Saints have won the last 3 CCs which included a defeat of Leeds in CCSF in 2008.

A similar one-eyed view from a Saints perspective could be that Leeds have only managed to beat Saints when Leeds have [igot lucky[/i AND the playing conditions has been dreadful. HTH.

I seem to remember great conditions when we trounced you in 2007 in the league and grand final!!!
At the end of the day the mighty S were supposed to win the lot this year and last and it didn't happen.

What, you mean like the cup semi? Yep, we were poor in that

the cup semi wasn't a grand final with the title on the line.

You can keep harping back to that semi if you want but leeds were in bad form at the time and had players dropping down like flies during the game.

Saints have been fully fit for both grand finals, and were certainly in top form for the last one.

You finished top by a point both season. How many lucky games were in there for the saints?

Last gasp wins over warrington (wait aren't ALL your wins over them last gasp?

) and wakefield, plus a number of narrow leeds losses. Like outscoring quins for tries and still losing. Like losing by a point to wigan with a kick to win it at the end but sinfield off injured.

There have been numerous examples.

Yet saints use their top spots as evidence of their supposed dominance, and this is why I refute that by arguing they have been very lucky.

You can't argue the same about the grand finals because there was no luck involved, leeds won both times, in different weather, one easily and one with a key player missing.

You got babtashed.

Can we not call a Christmas truce on this thread, it really is grating my eyes

Only 1 in the last 6 years though.

Leeds have 3 in the last 5.

So, in the recent era leeds have been more dominant.

This is the bit that made me laugh the most - the idea that you can win the league - 27 matches - for 4 years in a row just by getting lucky!!!!!!

saints have been the most dominant team since the super league started,end of argument.you cant pick which years you want to use the stats from.
its all history now,all in the past.new season,slate clean.we all start even.

this has been the Wigan speech for the last 5 years, and when you get to saying things like this, its often about to go wrong!

snake eaters other alias is as a saints fan so make of what he says as you will.

this time leeds have the favourites tag and have that to contend with. who knows what will happen.hopefully,from my point of view, it's another leeds win but all i ask is the team does there best and if we lose to a better side then so be it.

Nope. We weren't fully fit for the 2007 grand final. Anderson made a big mistake putting Long out for his first match in weeks, instead of playing Smith who had helped us get there in the first place. Also Faz was not fit but played his first game. Also, we were totally and utterly knackered by the play off two weeks earlier. We got smashed by Leeds in 2007. In 2008, the team did not play to their potential. No excuses in 2008, which is why - I reckon anyway - so many of the fans got mad as well as disappointed. We had no reason at all not to beat Leeds at OT in 2008. We scored the first damn try. Leeds only won by one try in 2008; they won by plenty in 2007. Two totally different games and two totally different Saints sides (even though they were the same players).

But at least in 2009 we won't have that favourites tag on our heads. Thank God! Leeds are welcome to that.

well that answers every question

NO 1996 was my most anticipated, I tasted good things in 1995 and thought "hmmmm this team seems pretty good and the pies seem on an even keel" since 1996 its all been just shytte...no party matches the parties of 1996.... bring back 1996, blue jeans and chino's, pepsi and orio's.

1996 The year of THE RUGBY PARTY and the death of Wigoon RL

Some reminders of early season doubt.

Ok, so when I said we, I meant James Graham.

Stick with me.