Walsh is doing my head in with his goal kicking. Takes far to long. Even on his penalty kicks to touch, he has a time out with the team. Kick it into touch FFS and get on wirh the game.

Youffs of today probably just use the Facebook group, which is amazing fun after a game, whatever the result, say sack the coach and you get multiple threats, people really do get upset over a keyboard!

What a very good post! Living a long way away, this forum has been my main link to the Saints for many years. So it is a shame to see it starting to fade away, but I guess things come and go. Maybe Facebook is the way to go even with the nutters in there! Pretty sue though that this forum isn't really a reflection on the majority of speccies or their views on the club and players, even if the style of play isn't quite millward esque!

not including this years stats, the numbers are definately up or at least steadily on the incline

also with regards to the above, people often think Facebook is taking over, but it clearly isn't facebook Rugby groups are honestly some of the worst groups I have ever seen for chat, they are filled with vitriol, abuse, language and some of the worst spelling known to man.

That is why many people stick these forums, we are as popular as 5 years ago, and don't forget we are donating £1000s per year to Rugby League related good causes.

I think the whole club is on downer and then shows on here. If we'd won 4 out of 5 playing good rugby then everyone would be in high spirits but when watching the most boring side in super league it just causes a down feeling.

The board will be very busy post Good Friday imo.

When you talk to people around town and in the ground there is definitely a general feeling of dissatisfaction in the way things are going with the team. Our exciting players are probably Swift, Percival, Fages, Roby and Walmsley................Percival and Swift are now injured, KC won't play Fages, Walmsley for some reason is a bit more conservative so far. So that just leaves Roby to create some spark as per usual.
We need Lomax back, I seem to remember KC saying he will miss 4 to 6 super league games, next week is our 6th game, so whats the latest update on him.

My intention was not to have a go at the forum, but more to explain why there tends to be more negativity on the boards. I do like forums and tend to stay off twitter and facebook in a personal capacity, but certainly there are more social media outlets than ever before and like minds do tend to attract.

Do you not think your going OTT on the advertisements?

The problem with this forum for me is some seem to revel in us losing games so they can come on with a nauseating 'I told you so' attitude.

Then a few others are cry @rseing about the style of play and being bored at the match. Well in my opinion we don't have the players anymore to play the style we've all seen in the past so we can only win games playing to the strengths of the players currently at our disposal, and we are winning right now. Style comes second to winning games for me anyway.

If you are so bored at the match go and take up gardening or something.

Widnes are hardly overflowing with world class players but manage to play open exciting and winning Rugby. We are just poorly coached.

I'm not calling for KC to be sacked but the style of play is coming from the coach. Some players ain't happy playing this style either.

We don't have the players because we're signing bang average players which is the responsibility of KC, Rush and McManus.

There's no excuse for our brand of rugby, we're not well coached and we've signed badly for several years.

So what else is the answer if it's down to him?

We can give KC some slack for last season but its obvious that he is blinkered into a safety first policy and winning his "middle", the offloads and spreading out wide for clean breaks is being de coached out of the team, I think we are the worse if not one of the worse teams for this type of open play.
Widnes, Warrington, Castleford and Salford are the opposite and play a more adventurous style, I think I would prefer an exciting on the edge of your seat loss than these dead boring soon forgotten wins.

Change the way we play. Let the players have more of a input on how we play and stop this one up crap

He's not gonna do that though is he? Any coach with an ounce of sense wouldn't publicly have a go at the speccies the way he has done this week so the way with him seems to be 'I'm the boss - what I say goes'. I honestly don't think he has the intellectual wherewithal to understand how he needs to conduct himself.

All too cosy with Rush, McManus and him. Hail King KC the un-sackable.

In his head anyway.....it will happen if things don't improve. Nothing more certain.

He's not media savvy and needs to think before he speaks otherwise he's going to shoot himself in the foot on everything he quotes, I'm surprised McManus hasn't had a quiet word as the image of the club is being effected. It's a long time since we've had a decent coach who can project the right image, its been mostly downhill since charismatic Mick Potter arrived on the scene.
Our style of play is so obviously inept to attract additional support, we have around 7200 season ticket holders this season, I can see this dropping to around the 6000 mark next year, will McManus wake up to the fact that to draw fans through the turnstiles he needs to get the mojo back to the "Saints Way" of entertaining rugby.

If crowds were to drop significantly, would that not have occurred this year.
Plenty were talking in the off season about it being the end of the 5 year deal and how many would not renew and how the crowds would be dropping this year.

Season ticket sales have dropped significantly over the years, I seem to remember we had about 9700 season ticket holders about 4 seasons back which is now down to 7200, so we have perhaps a more significant number on single match day tickets which is subject to the highs and lows. I reckon the majority of fans have given KC bit of slack prior to his disregard to fans expectations, we will just have to see were we are as discussed in the next 5 games.

Too many people moan too much, Internet forums just give those people an easy outlet. Sport as a whole has changed, not just RL and it's fickle supporters. Modern life is all too much about instant gratification, sports fans in general want it all and want it now. If people hadn't noticed, there is a finite number of top quality players available, and only one team can ever be champions(us

), too many teams think they have a divine right to the best players and wearing the champions rings. Nobody wants to work hard for anything nowadays, and that includes supporting your team and having some loyalty and patience. For me RL is becoming much like the round ball game, a crooked governing body, players throwing themselves about and 80 minutes of histrionics, and supporters not prepared to jump in there car and drive over the Pennines for a couple of hours cause it's "too far and the traffic's too bad". It's a toss up who is worse, the governing body, the 18 stone man that crumbles under the finger of a 10 stone scrum half, or the fans that want spoon feeding success along with everything else they get so easily.

I'm an old flatulent who started watching the game a long time ago(1953) at Wildespool. Even in those far off days of unlimited tackles Saints were a tremendous side to watch in full flow, keeping the ball alive at all costs with a team of very talented players especially the greatest player of them all, AJ Murphy. For decades I didn't miss a game at home and very few away. 3 years ago I was sat in our shiny bright new stadium, the Halliwell Jones, and started to think *What the hell am I doing here?* I was bored witless. The game had turned to a load of biff-bash formulated dross and not an ounce of skill...what had happened to the dummy, the sidestep, a swerve, change of pace and the rest which was the main attraction long ago ?. Players in those days had developed their skills in the playground at school playing *tick* and transferred what they had learned there to RL. They beat opposing players mainly by kidology and not brute force. I walked out of the stadium 3 years ago and not been back since despite holding a season ticket for decades and I won't be back...I now follow the game on TV but don't often last more than twenty minutes...The sport now holds nothing for me, it's over coached, formulated played by people who have grown ever bigger, dumber and lacking very much in skills. How an earth did they get so big just by eating steak and pumping iron but that's a debate for another day.

Well said.......I will probably be joining you in about 3 or 4 weeks. Might send my season ticket back to the club and see if I can get a bit of money back on the grounds of "Not Fit for Purpose"!!

BBHO thanks for summing up my own thoughts so eloquently. I thought I was on my own but good to hear someone else with very similar views.
I've still got my season ticket at Wigan but this i think will be my last.
Next Friday will not sell out as fans will just not cough up for tripe.
Eddie on Sky will no doubt turn the game into the nearest thing to Rorke's Drift before the 80 minutes are up but people have stopped listening to the gibberish and have moved on.
One for the teenagers there.