Three in eight months it is, information overload!!! By the way, would you take the blame for an outside contractor not providing what they had said they would? You seem to be expecting the club too. And McManus can hardly be blamed for the previous 30 years of lack of investment.

I've no experience of the building industry, but I wouldn't think that an announcement along the lines of 'Well I was told everything would be signed sealed and delivered, but someone is f*cking around and trying to maximise their profits so it isn't' would be best received by either the developers or contractors.

The club have dealt with this poorly, adding the caveat of 'We hope that...' would have stopped a lot of these complaints, instead of attempting to be overly positive about it being finalised, I just don't think the club are the ones to be blamed for the delays.

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Mr Rogues, can you please enlighten us as to when (or if) Wigan RLFC will make any announcement in relation to developing their [u:j3zkollr[uown [/uground, is it still Edge Hall Lane or the Mecca Drome??

Probably MUCH cheaper to rent widnes than plough even more money into KR.

Exactly. No information except wrong information.

Possibly; I do worry about what will happen to Saints' attendances at Widnes though if they are not under-pinned by healthy season ticket sales. I hope they have got their estimates about reduced revenue right.

If the new stadium is complete by August (I think that's the latest estimate) will season tickets be sold with dual-seat allocation ie pick your seat at Widnes plus where you will sit in the new stadium (could make it a treble and throw Everton in as well apparently)? In fact this could be a good ploy to sell more tickets as there will be a rush to get the best seats in the new ground to keep for years to come.

I reckon the biggest threat could be if no definate news on the new stadium has been released come the time for season ticket sales as the un-certainty of where all fixtures are to be played is bound to effect sales.

Do you know the reason for that?

Obviously not. The club haven't told us!

i actually agree with you here, i've had a season ticket every year since i was 16, but i'm very unsure about next season

Well, considering the club are reliant on others to get the information about the progress of the build. Why blame them, when the information they are given turns out to be incorrect?

I've yet to see a post querying what Langtree are up to as developers.

The club will know exactly what the situation is with regard to the build of their own property which their money is being spent on. To suggest otherwise is just daft, or obtuse. At no time would Saints have been put out to keep the fans updated on either problems or progress. It's no big effort for them to engage the fans but they clearly don't respect the fans enough to do so.


Indeed. Because we are not fans of Langtree but Saints RLFC, and it is the Saints ground we are interested in, not Langtree or, for that matter Tesco, who actually have and do hold up these joint ventures, sometimes for years. The only interest to fans of Saints RLFC is Saints' stadium. Therefore, it is to Saints club that we have looked to for updates.

In todays st helens reporter it says that your only playing a 2/3 games at widnes but most people who have been up to the site KNOW it wont be ready this time next year when the paper suggesting its goin to be ready by april.

A friend passed on his programme from last Friday night's game and I could not believe that Big Mac made that statement! does that go down as statement number Four - LOL - a couple of games at the start of the season, what land is he living in, unless the flat pack is ready built and ready for moving?

We're probably only playing 2-3 games at Widnes because we're playing the rest at Leigh.

Well if that should become true, at least if was TRUTH! so how many games at Leigh, will Big Mac tell us?

Langtree are the developers of a complex project that encompasses a number of stakeholders, and a number of income sources, over a number of sites. This project is not just about the Saints stadium, it's about the project as a whole. It's about the building of a superstore, the sale of Knowsley Road, the renovation and building of the site where Tesco currently sits. Why would Saints know everything about the project without it coming from the developers first? Saints as a club are reliant on Langtree for information, because Saints are not the developers.

You may have a point if the project was just about the stadium, but it isn't. As per usual your ignorance of subjects that can not be painted black and white is highlighted for all to see.

You know, I wouldn't have known about Tesco, Tesco's present building, Langtree and stakeholders if you hadn't told me about them Lump. I really wouldn't. Honest. I thank you so very much for advising me about something I didn't learn at the Saints meetings or through any other means prior to or subsequent to said Saints meetings. I'm so grateful to you for enabling me to learn something new today.

Subsequent to the advice I so clearly needed, why don't you go play with the other children.

That is the mystery. It's exciting, dontcha think?

You know about other parts of the scheme, but completely ignore them as factors in the development and then attempt to accuse me of being daft and childish.

As I said, you appear to struggle to comprehend things if they aren't black and white. I hope that you learn to do so before you qualify as a teacher, for the kids sake.

Go hump yourself.

Oh dear.

top quality post........great insight

For a Harlequins fan you seem to be intereted in Saints an awfull lot.

It is the town I was born in, lived in, worked for the St Helens Reporter and then Radio City!

and then became a Quins fan ?

(sorry could`nt resist)

First a Fulham RLFC Fan from the first game against Wigan and then The London Bronco's been a sponsor of players, accademy players and matches. I also have supported West Ham since I was six and ran one of the players fan clubs who played for England when I was 13 for 3 years, became the biggest player fan club in Europe at the time. No I am not just a Fair Weather supporter as many Saints fans have become (sorry couldn't resit it as well! LOL)