Look, I am not 'confused' whatsoever.

I've already explained on umpteen occasions that teams regularly play with three props on a field at any one time nowadays. Where you pack down means little. Wigan lined up with Larne Patrick at loose forward last week, does that make him a loose forward ? Of course not, he was playing as a 3rd prop.

Now, I'd like to drop this subject as I'm sick of it. I'm not confused and I'm certainly not mixed up because he was listed at 'lock' or 'loose' or anything else.

I don't have any gripes with any player personally and as some know some of my best mates play for saints and on the staff. However, if I feel a player is not pulling his weight I'll say so on here.

Isn't that what the forum is for ?


Example last year, I thought Mose was letting the lads down at times and not pulling his weight and being pretty lazy at times, something he himself admitted numerous times as did the likes of Barrie Mac , Brian carney and Tez O'conner.

I'll also be the first to praise someone if they play well. I started a thread last season about how well Mose had started to play.

It's called opinions. Some people are happy to read the threads and others prefer to voice their opionon.

I have never ever made a scapegoat of any player. I'm one of the very few that backed lance and even Josh perry at times. I'll fully support any player in the red vee no matter what but I'll also voice my opinions, as do others.

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I think the difference of opinion is stemming from the definition of the term 'playing prop'. It seems SLS is saying that although Soliola was named in the second row he was playing a prop role, rather than named as a prop. Other posters seem to be disagreeing due to the fact he was named at second row and his role did still encapsulate some of the responsibilities of a second rower, whilst conceding he did do work through the middle channel too.

Soliola definitely did do some prop work despite being named in the second row, he took hit ups off the kick offs quite regularly from memory, especially when we were missing some players up front. However, he was never named as a prop on the team sheet from what I can recall.

It actually seems that mostly everyone is agreeing with each other in terms of the role he played but getting stuck on the fact that there is differing opinions on the definition of position.

That's probably about right.

Are you in charge on here ? Would you please deactivate my account ? I can't find anywhere that'll let me do it myself. Thanx.

I'm no more in charge than your average user, I just have a green name! I'll have a look if you can de-activate it yourself should you wish to.

Well that was interesting.

Most of that debate seemed to be around 50% of the game. ie where a man drives in the ball. I'm assuming as most of the play takes place in the centre of the field this also makes Roby a prop too.

However the other 50% of the games is defence. So does this make the halfbacks centres? Where did Sia line up in defence? 2nd Row / Centre or prop??

From what I could gather neither side were accepting of the others opinions hence why we get statements like 'fact'.

Well it's not fact it's an opinion. Whilst I agree 'laughable' could be regarded as insulting, so can things like your 'average fan'.

But generally on here the insults remain within what I would call pub banter. The challenge always comes when you get 2 strong opinions clashing. It was interesting to watch.

In the end it can be argued either way, sure he played some elements of prop, but he also played second row too, maybe that makes him a proprow. But the entire lack of reference to the defensive structure suggest that people were picking elements that best suited their own point of view. Quite frankly if we had 7 players at prop in defence then we would have had people stood behind each other or holding hands in the line up.

As for the original point, my ambitions are for some good RL, some fantastic skill shown from our halves. Top 4 finish and a semi (final) in the CC.

If thats all we acheive they'll be plenty whinging on here

top 2 and CC final for me

In terms of players, the last one I 'critiqued' was Meli, and I wasn't alone in that!

Laughable deemed as insulting? Jesus!

Seems like we ain't allowed to put our opionons forward on here these days. I don't recall you ever making any personel posts regarding players other than voicing your opinion.

I seem to remember most on here saying sack lance and send him home he's not good enough. I seem to remember most on here giving Perry some awful comments on here. The are many others.

Why is it if me, saintsfan or Sado make our opionon known it's deemed as basically calling a player, yet it's deemed fine to absolutely hammer certain players deemed fine?

I got hammered on here for revealing transfer need, injury news and team lineups before they came out but then I get 10 pm + every week asking me team news etc.

So is it a new board rule not to comment on a players form? If so, it has to go for everyone!

Deary me, what is going on here?

I don't see an awful lot wrong with what SLS said. Sia did play alot down the middle channel last season especially when LMS moved out to the back row. What's the issue?

As for our ambitions this season, I had to laugh at Saddened's top 8 prediction

Our worst teams in the SL era finished 5th, so it's a ridiculous post but to be expected.

Our ambitions are simple - to win everything. A team that has just won the title shouldn't aim any lower than that unless the squad has been completely dismantled which it hasn't.

Whether we're good enough to win everything is another question. I would say along with Warrington we have the strongest squad on paper followed by Wigan, Catalans and then Leeds and Huddersfield. Salford will be improved this year too. It should be an exciting season with the games meaning more, so we should get a truer reflection than last season where teams relaxed at certain points in the season and targetted games. I'm looking forward to it.

I think it was just the repetiveness, the above perhaps "going overboard" with messrs Mose, Brown and Wello. Personally I support every player who wears the saints shirt despite playing good or bad, sometimes opinions on players get "flogged to death" at times, I'm sure not one single saints player goes out there to play with little effort.
Its a team game and maybe sometimes we look too deep on individual players when in reality there is a bigger picture.

Quote ="St pete"Laughable deemed as insulting? Jesus!'" Whilst you may not mean it in an insulting fashion, it can be taken as such. www.thefreedictionary.com/laughable You may mean laughable as in arousing or provoking laughter But the interpretation read can mean incongruous;inviting ridicule. Ridicule generally is taken to be insulting, rather than complimentary. But like I said further down the page, most insults on here go no further than people in a pub arguing over team selection. (hence not really worthy of getting in a huff over) But some people are a bit precious and take every word and syllable as a judgement on themselves. As for Saddo pouring scorn on players, generally I find him fairly even handed when it comes to players, I may find the rest of his comments extreme in the sense of unrealistic, but the reason I have him on ignore is because he just became obsessed at turning every thread into a Wello bashing thread and in the end I just turned it off.

Quote ="St pete"Laughable deemed as insulting? Jesus!'" Whilst you may not mean it in an insulting fashion, it can be taken as such. www.thefreedictionary.com/laughable You may mean laughable as in arousing or provoking laughter But the interpretation read can mean incongruous;inviting ridicule. Ridicule generally is taken to be insulting, rather than complimentary. But like I said further down the page, most insults on here go no further than people in a pub arguing over team selection. (hence not really worthy of getting in a huff over) But some people are a bit precious and take every word and syllable as a judgement on themselves. As for Saddo pouring scorn on players, generally I find him fairly even handed when it comes to players, I may find the rest of his comments extreme in the sense of unrealistic, but the reason I have him on ignore is because he just became obsessed at turning every thread into a Wello bashing thread and in the end I just turned it off.

Quote ="bewareshadows"Whilst you may not mean it in an insulting fashion, it can be taken as such. www.thefreedictionary.com/laughable You may mean laughable as in arousing or provoking laughter But the interpretation read can mean incongruous;inviting ridicule. Ridicule generally is taken to be insulting, rather than complimentary. But like I said further down the page, most insults on here go no further than people in a pub arguing over team selection. (hence not really worthy of getting in a huff over) But some people are a bit precious and take every word and syllable as a judgement on themselves. As for Saddo pouring scorn on players, generally I find him fairly even handed when it comes to players, I may find the rest of his comments extreme in the sense of unrealistic, but the reason I have him on ignore is because he just became obsessed at turning every thread into a Wello bashing thread and in the end I just turned it off.'" Ban me then.

Quote ="bewareshadows"Whilst you may not mean it in an insulting fashion, it can be taken as such. www.thefreedictionary.com/laughable You may mean laughable as in arousing or provoking laughter But the interpretation read can mean incongruous;inviting ridicule. Ridicule generally is taken to be insulting, rather than complimentary. But like I said further down the page, most insults on here go no further than people in a pub arguing over team selection. (hence not really worthy of getting in a huff over) But some people are a bit precious and take every word and syllable as a judgement on themselves. As for Saddo pouring scorn on players, generally I find him fairly even handed when it comes to players, I may find the rest of his comments extreme in the sense of unrealistic, but the reason I have him on ignore is because he just became obsessed at turning every thread into a Wello bashing thread and in the end I just turned it off.'" Ban me then.

When a thread has the title Mose Masoe it's pretty obvious it's about Mose Masoe isn't ?

So basically all things saints is good. Every player is the best. All the coaching staff and KC are great.

On that note, we will win the LLS and go the season unbeaten. We will win the challenge cup by the biggest score ever. We will beat a 13 man Wigan team at old Trafford with ease. Tommy mak will be leading try scorer. Our prop forward job Wilkin will make most meters in a season ever. Walsh will get man of steel and sign a new 5yr deal. Roby will win hit man if the year two years running.


Oh I nearly forgot, we will stuff Souths with champagne rugby and both burgess brothers and Greg inglis will declare they want to sign long term deals with saints.

Nothing to worry about.

Why would I ban you?

Using the word laughable.

Sorry for using the abusive word

Everyone's a bit touchy on here arn't they?

Check again I have no power to ban.



And like I said it's about interpretation, I said you may not mean it as insulting, but an insult is in the eye of the beholder. Some people find being called a scouser and insult, others don't.

We can't determine whether what we say will be insulting or not.

I'm sure I find things insulting that you don't and you find things insulting that I don't.

Maybe some people are little touchy and the word "laughable" May seem insulting.

Where I come from it's just deemed a saying so maybe us parr people are just to rough

Parr rough???

Now that is an understatement.

Is a punch still the common etiquette for saying hello it that neck of the woods.

For those who don't mind being insulted. www.guyjest.com/team-sucks-super ... st-helens/

For those who don't mind being insulted. www.guyjest.com/team-sucks-super ... st-helens/

Wouldn't know I don't live there anymore. I'm in the more posh area of rainhill now and funnily enough nobody ever took offence to the word "laughable" here either.

Well let's face it, when I put mine on, you retorted with all kinds of crap about whether I'm Wayne Bennett and whatnot. When I told you to pack it in, you advised me to man up.

Make your mind up.