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| One of the most bizarre things I have ever seen, ever. Just what was he thinking the utter clown.
Obviously, talk of legal action is way over the top and we have absolutely nothing to gain for pursuing that. The issue, legally anyway, surrounds consent. The current rule is that you consent to what happens in sport generally unless it goes beyond the rules or norms. It is clear that this incident HAS gone beyond the rules and norms, but I'd rather we did not do that.
The RFL must dish out a massive ban. Massive backlash on social media. I'd say a minimum couple of month ban to send the message out.
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| Quote ="Albion"One of the most bizarre things I have ever seen, ever. Just what was he thinking the utter clown.
Obviously, talk of legal action is way over the top and we have absolutely nothing to gain for pursuing that. The issue, legally anyway, surrounds consent. The current rule is that you consent to what happens in sport generally unless it goes beyond the rules or norms. It is clear that this incident HAS gone beyond the rules and norms, but I'd rather we did not do that.
The RFL must dish out a massive ban. Massive backlash on social media. I'd say a minimum couple of month ban to send the message out.'"
I agree. What happens on the pitch stays on it. It was bad, he was a idiot, he let Wigan, wane, himself and rugby league down but let's move on now.
It's taking the shine off our win. Let's mine on. We are the champions and Lance is fine.
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| Just watched the highlights on BBC. They say suspected broken jaw for Lance???
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| Yip in Roby's testimonial Flower hit Luke Walsh and he thought he'd broke his jaw? Flower is a thug like the Wigun club and should serve a long ban
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| Quote ="theblondebomber"Just watched the highlights on BBC. They say suspected broken jaw for Lance???'"
That's a lie. Hohaia doesn't have any injury thankfully.
Quote "I don't hold any grudges against Ben," said New Zealander Hohaia, 31.
"In the heat of the moment, people do some things they regret. I've done some silly things on the field myself. '"
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| Well it's not a lie actually. Just repeating what was said on the BBC commentary.
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| According to Mose Masoe Lance may have a broken jaw and will go for a scan this week. I hope he takes legal action.
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| Does the resulting injury have any bearings on the length of the ban?
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| Quote ="theblondebomber"Does the resulting injury have any bearings on the length of the ban?'"
It does in the NRL but don't think it does in SL.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"That's a lie. Hohaia doesn't have any injury thankfully.
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Thanks Doc. Im sure that Lance won't bother going for the scan this week now you have diagnosed him.
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| Ban's should not have any bearing based on the length of injury.
It should be by the book
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| Nathan Browns comments on the BBC. "its not the first time Bens attacked a smaller player". OUCH!
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| When he was at Crusaders he tried it with Josh Perry who was in his first year with us and ended up spread eagle on the floor. Probably learned from that day that he could only go for the little guys. I also recall him playing for Wales against France(?) and punching someone in the back of the head whilst they were grappling with another Welsh player.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"When he was at Crusaders he tried it with Josh Perry who was in his first year with us and ended up spread eagle on the floor. Probably learned from that day that he could only go for the little guys. I also recall him playing for Wales against France(?) and punching someone in the back of the head whilst they were grappling with another Welsh player.'"
Mounis wasn't it? That well known little halfback.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Mounis wasn't it? That well known little halfback.'"
Doesn't matter how big they are if you punch them in the back of the head.
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| any truth to the rumour (internet based too, so probably BS) i read somewhere that saints are waiting on the disciplinary panels ruling before deciding to take the issue further?
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Quote ="southern_rhino"any truth to the rumour (internet based too, so probably BS) i read somewhere that saints are waiting on the disciplinary panels ruling before deciding to take the issue further?'"
No (well to my knowledge).
Gm police issued a statement about it, and it sounds very much like the ball is in the polices court - might be a case the police are waiting on the RFL report ...
bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/29593523
It'll depend on the results of the scan today(?) too I imagine - rumours vary from no injury to a broken jaw
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Quote ="southern_rhino"any truth to the rumour (internet based too, so probably BS) i read somewhere that saints are waiting on the disciplinary panels ruling before deciding to take the issue further?'"
No (well to my knowledge).
Gm police issued a statement about it, and it sounds very much like the ball is in the polices court - might be a case the police are waiting on the RFL report ...
bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/29593523
It'll depend on the results of the scan today(?) too I imagine - rumours vary from no injury to a broken jaw
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| Even I am getting tired of it now. It's done, he had his moment of madness and the world saw what a coward he was. Wigan's reputation as a bunch of thugs has been further enhanced - theres no need for the Police to get involved and I'd be disappointed if Saints did that.
Hohaia is ok, the players' code of 'what happens on the field stays on the field' has been upheld by the players, the RFL will throw the book at him and everyone needs to lose the hate and hysteria lest we become like that other stupid game and its acolytes.
Move on people.
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| I agree, I dont think there is any point taking legal action against the player, because he is clearly as thick as mince, and only carrying out what he has been brain washed into doing. The issue lies with Wigan RL, who are sending out their players with the intention of injuring, through foul player, their opponents in a systematically targetted way. Is it a surprise that they are being linked to assaults on Hohaia, Walsh and GoB? No. Sooner or later, legal action will be taken against Wigan, hopefully before someone suffers a far more serious injury. It is only a matter of time before this happens, and at that point, Leneghan will end up in the dock, and so will Wane, at which point the TV coverage of him inciting players to be reckless will come home to roost. At that time, the consequences won't be player bans, they will be mega fines or imprisonments. The case is building, and legal firms are already taking an interest in this.
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| It's OTT now. It's actually taking the shine off our win. All the papers and sky are talking about is Ben Flower.
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| Quote ="St pete"It's OTT now. It's actually taking the shine off our win. All the papers and sky are talking about is Ben Flower.'"
It is - some our fans are beginning to look stupid in their relentless pursuit of him. Most of them either were not born or have short memories of a certain Mr Nickle and his challenge on Robbie Mears. Occasionally you get idiots in sport who cross the line, we had one then, they have several now. Forget it and celebrate the win - forget the rest.
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| Quote ="Allez"It is - some our fans are beginning to look stupid in their relentless pursuit of him. Most of them either were not born or have short memories of a certain Mr Nickle and his challenge on Robbie Mears. Occasionally you get idiots in sport who cross the line, we had one then, they have several now. Forget it and celebrate the win - forget the rest.'"
I remember that by Sonny.
At the end of the day everyone knows it's disgusting and stupid what Flower did and he's got to live with the fact all the blood, sweat and tears over the season was for nothing the min he hit lance on the floor. We won and Lance looks like he's suffered no injuries so let's forget about it and let the RFL deal with it (not the police FFS).
We won! Let's celebrate are win and stop banging on about HIM and THEM.
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www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary
BEN Flower: Rule – 15.1(a) Detail – Strikes – Punching - violent and aggressive – opponent off guard Grade – F
Lance: Rule – 15.1(a) Detail – Strikes with forearm Grade – B
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BEN Flower: Rule – 15.1(a) Detail – Strikes – Punching - violent and aggressive – opponent off guard Grade – F
Lance: Rule – 15.1(a) Detail – Strikes with forearm Grade – B
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| Quote ="Allez"Even I am getting tired of it now. It's done, he had his moment of madness and the world saw what a coward he was. Wigan's reputation as a bunch of thugs has been further enhanced - theres no need for the Police to get involved and I'd be disappointed if Saints did that.
Hohaia is ok, the players' code of 'what happens on the field stays on the field' has been upheld by the players, the RFL will throw the book at him and everyone needs to lose the hate and hysteria lest we become like that other stupid game and its acolytes.
Move on people.'"
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although I am dismayed at how Wigan are responding in the media i.e. Wane supporting player and Lengham quoted as saying no further action will be taken by club!
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