Yes he is..

Just change your name to Marfa Ellis

or become a Saint

How can one be so confident? We've been here before with several players, only for them to do the dirty on the club and sign somewhere else.

www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In the article above he states that (when he said when he signed his last contract at Hull): '[iI'm very confident I can win a trophy before this deal is up. The 2008 Challenge Cup is the only major final I have played in and I'm desperate to play in another. But I want to win this time. In the next few years, I think I have a chance to do that. If I didn't, I wouldn't have signed.[/i' Possible motivation for coming to Saints?

www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html In the article above he states that (when he said when he signed his last contract at Hull): '[iI'm very confident I can win a trophy before this deal is up. The 2008 Challenge Cup is the only major final I have played in and I'm desperate to play in another. But I want to win this time. In the next few years, I think I have a chance to do that. If I didn't, I wouldn't have signed.[/i' Possible motivation for coming to Saints?

I doubt it. We've not won a trophy since 2008 and don't look like doing so any sooner than Hull.

I'd say he has a better chance here than than at Hull - they still have a long way to go yet.

Under Brown we may be competing next season...you never know.

Anyway, at least he'll make a GF with us

He is off quota at the moment (signed prior to 200icon_cool.gif. But with the new rules does he now come back on if he changes clubs?

I'm guessing not as we have no room on the quota...

Nope, the pre 2008 rule was brought in to protect the earnings of players already in SL. The exemption stands until the player retires or leaves SL. I don't know if it would stand if a player goes back to the NRL then returns to Super League but it definitely does for cross SL signings.

If it did, we could just go to the RFL and beg them to change the rules, like Wigan do everytime you are struggling to fit your overseas players under the cap.

So now it [iseems [/ithat Manu has signed for us, the Hull board is playing down his ability...in an 80 page thread on whether he will sign a new contract....

Has he?.Nothing offical yet because Hull have given Manu a improved offer, which is a take it or leave it offer.He has a few days to mull over it, so nothing decided on the outcome yet.

You seemed (ironically) to have missed the word 'seems' out of my post

I don't think Ellis will be on THAT much either, he said that he wanted to come back and he will have made quite a few bob over there so it might not be as much as everyone thinks.

Hull could have played this well..

Why, has Manu signed for them now?

Ellis will be on megabucks given the teams who were outbid by Hull. Hull had to do something special to get him ahead of Leeds, who were one of the sides bidding.

Can't see Ellis being on as much as people think obviously I don't know the inner workings of Hull and I doubt many people do. But FC still have a lot of top end players to replace with hopefully just as good players. Because if rumours are true Hull will be losing at least 5 first team players for next season for one reason or another so will need the cap to play about with. Also it's been reported that FC where not in fact the highest bidders and with teams such as Warrington and Leeds also after him I can't see how we would have been.

But on the subject of Manu if you do sign him you have a hell of a player there. And as a FC fan I will be gutted to lose him but also slightly disappointed with the reasons for him wanting to leave as it looks like we are going places at the moment.

Congratulations on your two points that you gained for that, as that all that ONE results means.

The fact that you are so defensive on that point shows that you know what I said has substance. Announcing the signing of Ellis and having a few good games so far shows little atm.

You could be right, but I don't think we are as far behind you as you think, also it's not just the "one result" that means a lot to me (we always do well against you lot anyway) but the attitude of the whole team since we have employed Peter Gentle. We will shake a few teams up this and next season, specially those who take us lightly. The Agar circus has left town, watch this space!

I think Ellis will be on top dollar. Nearly every club was in for him, they were not offering peanuts. Saints and Leeds were also in for Ellis. Saints have not touched the extra 300k that you can spend on a England internation ontop of the salary cap, that was brought in to keep Tomkins. So you can see a good portion of that going to be offered for Ellis and Hull FC beat all comers, Ellis went to the top bidder, anything else like wanting to play for trophies or his local side, then it would have been Warrington, Wigan, Leeds or Wakey.

As for Saints being above Hull in getting trophies. I think it's a long season but our start has been below par and it would be very arrogant to think that it will just come right. Hull FC on the other hand have 4 more league points and a game in hand. They would need to lose all games left before half way through the season and we would need to win them all to even be level at this stage.

What saints or hull do this year is immaterial to Ellis, or Manu when considering a new contract. I would suggest that a brown coached saints will be a very different animal to what we see this year. If they want to win trophys they need to decode which side is most likely to do that in the 2013 season and on from there.

I can see this being a on going rumour until the end of the season. I don't think it would benefit anyone at hull if they announced he's signing for saints.

I can see them revealing he's leaving(if true) but I doubt they will reveal details out of respect to all parties.

I remember being told that fozzard had signed for us but was told not to breathe a word as nick wanted it kept quite being so early in the year but saints let it slip and wolves fans was booing nick and he was not a happy bunny!

Problem with keeping secrets is if the player tells one person, then they are more than likely to tell others. Secrets only work when one person is involved.

And it would still be rumours until either saints or hull confirm it.