So basically like i said its not Meli's fault,you said it was and you again say he will give a try away but the fact is he didnt.I know the line didnt slide and why didnt it slide ? because a player shot out ( and in fairness given the overlap they had he had to ) and the centre went up and in. I do wonder at times what you see or at least what you think you see and ive come to the conclusion that just like an experienced pro will see things that i dont see or quicker than i see them,people who have played the game will see things you dont see or read them a different way to you.

Its personal opinion at the end of the day so your welcome to your point of view and once again i think its a case of agreeing to disagree.

We will continue to disagree on this so I'm saying nothing further than Meli didn't move over. He stayed in rather than dragging his newbie centre out along with him.

Couple of quotes come to mind

"You can't win an argument with a fool because they can't tell when they've lost"

"Arguing with a fool is like wrestling with a pig. You get all sweaty, worked up and covered in crap, and after a while you realise... the pig's enjoying itself!"

The loss of Royce Simmons has clearly tipped 'Saintsfan' over the edge.

If Jones had come out one, Hodgeson would have just scored the try himself without even having to pass it.

Anyone who puts the blame with a winger for the opposition scoring when they've got a 3 on 2 overlap needs to have their head read.

SaintsFan, surely you can see you are fighting a losing battle? The decision to sack Royce was the right one and the try wasn't Meli's fault.

Before people raise the victory flag on Iwo Jima let's not forget we have only played two games since Royce left.

You are pi$$ing in the wind mate.

She is by far the most stubborn, deluded individual on any forum I have ever been on. And I think she just enjoys the attention she gets by saying such stupid things.

A retarded hamster could see that Meli wasn't at fault for that try. But because she wont admit she got it wrong, SaintsFan will continue to spout drivel and tell us all that he is to blame.

Unfortunately you can't ban people on here for being so wrong 99% of the time. So the only other option is to ignore her. Stop throwing nuts to the monkey and hopefully it'll stop messing around.

I'm not fighting any battle. I'm simply expressing my opinion.

We don't know yet whether sacking Royce was the right decision. We have played all of two matches, both of which motivate this team regardless of who is in charge. The third such match is on Good Friday, although I suspect Wigan won't be offloading into our arms as Warrington did so often.

Thirdly, Meli was at fault for that try. Given another time and another set of coaching staff you and the rest of creation would have agreed with me. However, because you are collectively drooling over the most inexperienced coaching team we have ever had in charge, you and others are now thinking the sun shines out of Meli's backside. Alas, I am not as fickle as most on here and I'm also not as willing to treat our new regime differently from any other when they first come on board.

The fact that it's been two games is irrelevant. So is the fact we've won those games. It was the right call purely because we weren't headed in the right direction under Royce and we certainly weren't improving. If we'd lost 81-0 to Leeds and Warrington it would still have been the right decision.

No one with any knowledge of rugby would blame the winger in that situation, no matter what team or player were involved.

Agree entirely. And your comment says all we need to know about our "friend" SaintsFan.

Because I'm bored at work, I'm going to humour you.

Please tell us all, in perfect detail, just how Meli was at fault, bearing in mind his centre and 2nd row had left him stranded in a 2 v 1 scenario.

This should be fun......

Exactly. No trophies won in April.

There may be hope that this form will continue, but I think most people expect the novelty of a new regeime to wear off at some point. I think the buoyent mood is mainly caused by knowing we'll at least give a showing, even if we're bettered, unlike some of the dour losses we suffered earlier in the year.

Yes we were. Our defence improved against both Hull and Bradford so to say we weren't improving is false. Hull are now running second in the league and so they cannot be total tosh. Also, at Hull and Bradford we did not have Roby. Roby returns and what happens? We go forward with energy and dynamism again. We also got LMS and Gardner back from injury for Leeds, and Soliola returned for Warrington. Nobody knows what direction we were heading in with Royce because he only got seven games. And Purtill went as well remember. I can't see him being the mastermind behind the coaching direction. He appeared to be perfectly ok in McManus's eyes during Potter's regime. Sledgehammer to crack a nut.

So in your book of rugby league, who leads the defensive slide?

OK, please excuse the co wording of my last post. Here is my full analysis of the situation, which will cover communication in the defensive line. Please have a read and, if you disagree, let me know why.

Get the match up on your player and wait for the replay of the try from behind the try line, pause it when Hodgson has the ball.
Hodgeson has two men outside of him, Bridge and Monaghan.
The 3 saints defenders closest to the touch line are Wilkin, Jones and Meli.

In a 3 on 3 situation, Wilkin would move up on Hodgeson, using simple communication to the man outside of him "ball carriers mine", so that Jones will know there's no danger on his inside and can continue to push up onto Bridge with a similar communication to Meli who can mark Monaghan. So the communication in this situation will start at the man marking the ball carrier and come out from him.

However, Wilkin (3rd defender in) is not in a position to tackle Hodgeson (for reasons I'll cover later). When Hodgeson receives the ball he is in a 3 on 2 situation. Now, from Tony Smith's point, the only reason this situation will not result in a try is poor execution on Wire's part.

Jones, realising that Wilkin is not in position to take Hodgeson, must re-adjust. If he stays on Bridge (2nd man in), then Hodgson will effectivly have a free run to the try line. Like wise, once Meli knows Josh has gone for Hodgson, he will then move in to Bridge so save him walking through a gap if Hodgson gets a simple short pass away.

Essentially, once there's a 3 on 2 situation, there's going to be a gap. All the defenders can do is make sure that the gap is as far away from the ball carrier as possible in order that the attack has to work for the score. In this case they would have needed quick hands, which could easily result in a knock on (see a similar situation in the game against Leeds when the VR disallowed the try for the knock on/forward pass), or the miss pass which is often poorly executed. Unfortunatley for us, it was Brett Hodgeson, a very skilled player, who was there to make a good miss pass for Monaghan to score.

How did this 3 on 2 situation arise? Wind your TV player back to the play of the ball.
From the touch line, the teams line up as follows
Monaghan, Bridge, Grix and Hodgson
Marked by
Meli, Jones, Wilkin and Flanaghan respectively.
From here, Grix is being marked by Wilkin and Hodgson by Flanaghan.

As the ball is played to the dummy half, Grix makes an early run, back towards the ruck across the face of Hodgson, meaning he (grix) has gone from being 3rd man in to 4th, and crossed from Wilkin's channel into Flanaghan's.
The effectiveness of this dummy run, however, has meant that Wilkin has continued to track Grix even when he became Flanaghan's responsibilty and left him in no position to cover his channel with is now occupied by Brett Hodgson.

So the fault lies either with Wilkin's action, or a lack or communication between Wilkin and Flanaghan in order to hold their respective channels, or a little of both.
The fault does not lie with Jones and it does not lie with Meli, who were both on a hiding to nothing as soon as the 3 on 2 overlap was created.

I'd be interested to hear a different take on the situation, if anyone has one.

Spot on mate.

There is simply no argument against that. So she'll ignore you instead.

Concur with Yellow Giraffe, awaiting nonsense reply from deluded female!!!!!

To be fair, I've asked that people watch the replay back whilst they go through what I've said.

Its a while since I've actually played league, so I'd love to hear from those who've had more recent playing or coaching experience, in case I'm out of touch.

I'm sure Jon Wells would have described all that in a couple of seconds with just a few arrows on the screen.

I've played rugby for the last 20 years and having watched the replay, I agree with what you say.

I asked a simple question. Now, perhaps you can answer it?

Just to add that sometimes dummy runners throw defenders off the play and people can apportion blame but sometimes you just get beaten. They're only human.

Last sentance of paragraph 3.

Do you disagree with my analysis? How does your view of the situation differ?