If ever there was a thread that was going to come back and bite someone in the bum!

Now can I pretend it's Easter Sunday.

nope! and we might have found some form by then!

Good read this.

Great read this thread.

And it does without doubt show how anything we put on these forums can come back and bite you on the backside.

Its all good fun though

To be fair, the original of this thread was created years ago. Around the time Wigan were sh*te, so it's accurate really.

What a great thread!

We all should have an opportunity to show our appreciation of the Pie People.

We've got Cas, you've got Wigan.....looks like GOD had a sense of humour after all

'tis true. I am solely responsible for Saints' decline. From the very first moment the Envy-O-Meter has brought the club nothing but bad luck.

I feel like one of those poor sods in a Greek tragedy who challenge the power of the Gods and then get squashed like a bug.

Marrying your own mother is a common occurence in St. Helens as well.

No wonder you became extinct Dodo.lol

Whilst I realise this post is a year old can I put to you:

J Tomkins
S Tomkins
L Mossop
S O'loughlin
D Goulding
L Farrell
C Tuson
J Charnley
S Marsh
E Ocarrol
P Prescott

Just for starters

The player in question was simply not good enough. Please can you name the overseas player that took his place?

Must've been Amos "The Hands" Roberts? In all fairness though, Ainscough has a chance now with another good club, so who cares if its with his original side?

usually after a particularly good or prestigious win I ask 'Harry, can you tell me what the current reading is?'

Personally, I dont really envy Wigan that much...

After all, the last 3 years has been our transitional period (losing Scully, Long, KC between 08-10 who were our main strike players, as well as the likes of Gidley, Talau, Gilmour etc who were class acts for us but got too old) and with the replacements we have signed and youngsters we have blooded it still looks like a very bright future for us.

And we have gone through this phase staying in the top 3 of SL each season, 3 CCSF appearances and 2 GFs so far with possibility of a 3rd GF...havent almost been relegated/finished bottom of the pile and have only lacked silverware for 3 seasons including this one, not 8 years like Wigan before last year.

Whilst Wigan are a superb side now and deserve their glory at the moment, I would rather stay consistently up there and look to challenge again over next couple of years than hit the lows our neighbours over the hill had to hit before rising again to where they are now personally

It will take more than one SL title and one cup for my envyometer to start flickering, especially given we're about to move into a new stadium whilst they continue to rent from a bad soccer team.

If they rack up 14 major trophies (no hubcaps please) in 12 years anytime soon, then my envyometer will be going big time. Or if they win the lot then follow it up with the WCC 2006/2007 stylee.

At the moment, it's just a minor irritance.

Here's hoping for a Wire win at the weekend to spoil their hopes of the domestic treble

As us Wigan fans are so often told by our rivals, it's best to not look back at past glory's but rather to the present. Well as a Wigan fan I'm more than happy to do so. We are after all at present the SL and CC champions/ holders. Where as our near neighbors from over the hill are at present trophy-less, comforted only by past glory's. Which mustn't me dwelled upon or reminisced about apparently.



As for Saints won x amount of trophy in SL. Yes you did and well done for it. But let us not forget Rugby league didn't just begin in 1996, as much as some would love to believe it did. Rather it started way back in 1895, and I'm sure you don't need me telling you who's won the most trophy's since then.



You don't know how low your going to sink. Until you readdress the current slide that your in anything is possible. Granted your probably not going to get nearly relegated and have to cheat your way out of it like we did.



But you can't automatically assume that you'll be challenging for honors again just because your Saints. Many a Wigan fan thought that, and it was a tough ten years I'll tell ya.

AGREED Noisy neighbours

I dont envy the fact The Pies have to put up with that sewer rat Tomkins every day in and around the club...

But the envyometer DID begin after a period of serious Saints dominance and abject Wigan capitulation. When the roles are reversed, we can perhaps talk about a flicker registering on the Saints envyometer.

One SL title in what, 12 years? It'll take more than that son. Leeds and Bradford both make that look trifling, never mind Saints, and they haven't had to cheat to avoid relegation in the meantime

You've had to cheat to win it a couple of times though; how many cap breaches have you made?

If you're going to cheat, at least try to have trophies to show for it rather than abject failure eh?

Well the envyometer doesn't really exist you know. It's a figure of Saints fan's imaginations created because after 100 years of trying Saints were finally a better side than Wigan. Now unfortunately for you that relativley short period of dominance you had is over and your back where you belong





It's two actually.



SL's been going for the best part of 15 years most of which Saints have been good and Wigan, well let's say they've been indifferent.



But the fact is those roles have now been reversed and we are the side at the top winning trophy's adding to our records. While potentially because know one knows, you could be stuck in no mans land for the next decade trying to once again better and overcome your more famous and successful neighbors.. (I certainly hope so)

I prefer professional sport me.

We'd better not start that one.





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