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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Outline is not full planning permission.
They have to go through the full bureaucratic process and fulfill any preconditions the council set before construction commences.
Hence why Salford are talking about a 2012 completion date.'"
Let's just wait and see which ground gets completed first!!!!!
There is another development that keeps having problem with delays, the former Liverpool International Garden Festival site, remember that in 1984! there have been talks and date announcements over and over again that work will be starting soon, the last in February this year, the developers oh could it be the same as in St Helens! |
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made up for Salford setting up their stadium, its just that Sale rugby union have done shag all to help, yet they will also share the ground on equal terms.
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| Quote ="The Doghead"made up for Salford setting up their stadium, its just that Sale rugby union have done shag all to help, yet they will also share the ground on equal terms.'"
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Why has McMannus said it is a 50 week build when Colquitt said it was a 60 week build.
What's changed?
Have they also factored in the two week Christmas break for the construction industry?
I was away last week for the Catalan v Wigan game, so didn't hear the Radio Manchester interview.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Why has McMannus said it is a 50 week build when Colquitt said it was a 60 week build.
What's changed?
Have they also factored in the two week Christmas break for the construction industry?
I was away last week for the Catalan v Wigan game, so didn't hear the Radio Manchester interview.'"
link. I think you can get it for up to a week, the main points are at the start of the program.
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What's changed?
Have they also factored in the two week Christmas break for the construction industry?
I was away last week for the Catalan v Wigan game, so didn't hear the Radio Manchester interview.'"
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What's changed?
Have they also factored in the two week Christmas break for the construction industry?
I was away last week for the Catalan v Wigan game, so didn't hear the Radio Manchester interview.'"
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52 weeks from when? The access road isn't even finished yet, the old UG warehouses are still standing(or are they been left there as a reminder of your current ground?) With the best will in the world it will not be ready for July 2011...FACT.
It's fairly apparent that more groundworks have been done for the Salford build than the St.Helens one
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"52 weeks from when? The access road isn't even finished yet, the old UG warehouses are still standing(or are they been left there as a reminder of your current ground?) With the best will in the world it will not be ready for July 2011...FACT.
It's fairly apparent that more groundworks have been done for the Salford build than the St.Helens one'"
Complete rubbish.
Lets get a few things straight.
1. Salford as yet dont have full planning permission, until they do no stadium can be built
2. Access roads for Salfords stadium need to be built before planning permission will be granted in full. As yet the access roads havent been built.
3. The mud moving going on now at Salford is in some respects equivalent to the demolition work done on Saints stadium site about 9 months ago.
4. Saints stadium is planned to open in 2011. Salford themselves say their stadium will only be open in 2012 at the earliest.
5 You cannot state as FACT that saints ground wont open by July 2011 , until that period has passed and a stadium isnt complete you are merely talkign about supposition |
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| Quote It certainly puts Gruntfuttock's photos to shame.
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Yea well they have a bigger budget and a more expensive camera
Quote With the best will in the world it will not be ready for July 2011...FACT.'"
well i believe him he had written FACT in big letters after his statement, that means it must be true !!  
oh and the infrastructure works, which is what you are calling the access works is almost completed as far as they are contracted to do giving pleanty of site access to the demolition/construction crews |
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| Quote ="jaybs"But as you keep telling us all we should be positive and Believe in Big Mac, anyway it is going to be open and being used for matches next July??'"
no idea mate the crystal ball has gone cloudy again, but that`s what the chairman said on the radio, so until shown otherwise i would have to say a definite probably , or maybe, or dunno!! |
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Complete rubbish.
Lets get a few things straight.
1. Salford as yet dont have full planning permission, until they do no stadium can be built
2. Access roads for Salfords stadium need to be built before planning permission will be granted in full. As yet the access roads havent been built.
3. The mud moving going on now at Salford is in some respects equivalent to the demolition work done on Saints stadium site about 9 months ago.
4. Saints stadium is planned to open in 2011. Salford themselves say their stadium will only be open in 2012 at the earliest.
5 You cannot state as FACT that saints ground wont open by July 2011 , until that period has passed and a stadium isnt complete you are merely talkign about supposition'"
Au contraire, the mud moving as you so eloquently put it is further in advance in terms of preparation to what has been done at yours.
You dont need full planning permission to move mud, I never mentioned anything about planning permission in any case just the state of ground works..
Given the stadium you're intending to have will take 13 months(at best) to actually build which doesn't allow for delays plus any handover period etc will mean your stadium won't be ready for July 2011. Simple logistics & mathmetics really. So your definition of open means it will be officially ready to have paying supporters attend, having some portaloos & a few deckchairs in one of the stands doesn't count as ready 
In any case why rush, the season will be virtually over, you'll have to plan to play all your home league games away because suppositioning that the stadium will be ready on an exact date just isn't going to be a reality. Also the RFL wont not issue you with a license plus it'll give the newly laid pitch a good while to settle down so you dont have any Wembley type problems. |
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well i believe him he had written FACT in big letters after his statement, that means it must be true !!
oh and the infrastructure works, which is what you are calling the access works is almost completed as far as they are contracted to do giving pleanty of site access to the demolition/construction crews'"
yeah well the 'fact' bit was a bit tongue in cheek, I forgot to put a wink after it, but seriously it wont be ready for July FACT!  (does that make it better?)
As I said the access road isn't complete, you clearly said almost which isn't the same as complete so my statement was true again.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"yeah well the 'fact' bit was a bit tongue in cheek, I forgot to put a wink after it, but seriously it wont be ready for July FACT!
(does that make it better?)
As I said the access road isn't complete, you clearly said almost which isn't the same as complete so my statement was true again.
I'm not trolling, I'm stating what I know to be true.'"
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I really love these supporters of other teams, (they have to be with all the negativity) trying to wind people up with their FACTS and saying for certain that it WONT be finished on time, I said earlier in this thread, it could come in ahead of time, or it could over run, The FACT is none of us know , we are ALL just speculating, some people for reasons of their own, some people because they dont want to be disappointed, watch and wait is all we can do and having pointless arguments with Salford supporters about whos stadium is being built quicker than whose is a waste of time
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| Quote ="Gruntfuttock"I really love these supporters of other teams, (they have to be with all the negativity) trying to wind people up with their FACTS and saying for certain that it WONT be finished on time, I said earlier in this thread, it could come in ahead of time, or it could over run, The FACT is none of us know , we are ALL just speculating, some people for reasons of their own, some people because they dont want to be disappointed, watch and wait is all we can do and having pointless arguments with Salford supporters about whos stadium is being built quicker than whose is a waste of time'"
Plenty of other supporters visit other club websites and voice opinions, it is you who always seems to come over as defensive, at the end of the day people are only stating their personal opinion! I was born in the town and still live here, so I feel I can voice my opinion, I visit no other club websites than Quins and St Helens.
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I would`nt have to be "defensive" as you put it if people cut the club some slack i agree its frustrating that there isnt a stadium springing up from the site as we speak there is nothing anyone can do about that but trust the club, i am sure they are working as hard as they can to move things along after all it is their money , and KR is a huge drain on the finances of the club, so it is in the clubs interest to move things along, asap, the thing that frustrates me the most is the suggestion that the club are lying to the fans, to what end? do they think we are so stupid that eventually we will notice there isnt a stadium, ? i doubt it, some people sem to want to blow this up into a massive conspiricy of some kind , quite why i dont know.
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Quote ="Gruntfuttock"I would`nt have to be "defensive" as you put it if people cut the club some slack i agree its frustrating that there isnt a stadium springing up from the site as we speak there is nothing anyone can do about that but trust the club, i am sure they are working as hard as they can to move things along after all it is their money , and KR is a huge drain on the finances of the club, so it is in the clubs interest to move things along, asap, the thing that frustrates me the most is the suggestion that the club are lying to the fans, to what end? do they think we are so stupid that eventually we will notice there isnt a stadium, ? i doubt it, some people sem to want to blow this up into a massive conspiricy of some kind , quite why i dont know.'"
I don't know about people wanting to blow it into a conspiracy, but it is undeniable that there have certainly been some communication 'issues' from the club.
Like you, I am willing to give the club the benefit of the doubt and assume that their hands are tied by legal constraints, other partners, etc. I also have no grasp of the complexities involved in such a difficult process, but I can fully understand the frustration of some supporters who are less patient.
We were given planning permission on 11th July 2008 ( 2 years ago on Sunday) - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501899.stm
Subsequently, there have been many projected dates, with some of these missing the mark by as much as 7 months - with no explanation or update from the club (e.g. www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/4431 ... _December/)
There's also the stories that I can't find about season ticket events to choose seats at the new stadium, detailed CGI modelling of the stadium, etc. which hasn't materialised. Although I personally can appreciate that this delay is more than likely out of Saints' hands, I can also understand some fans mentality who will simply feel that Eamonn McManus's talk of an announcement this week (which now looks unlikely) is just the latest unfulfilled promise by a club that seems to pick and choose when, and what, it wants to communicate. I just hope that the club address this one instead of hoping we all just forget the chairman told us there would be a detailed announcement this week. |
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I don't know about people wanting to blow it into a conspiracy, but it is undeniable that there have certainly been some communication 'issues' from the club.
Like you, I am willing to give the club the benefit of the doubt and assume that their hands are tied by legal constraints, other partners, etc. I also have no grasp of the complexities involved in such a difficult process, but I can fully understand the frustration of some supporters who are less patient.
We were given planning permission on 11th July 2008 ( 2 years ago on Sunday) - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501899.stm
Subsequently, there have been many projected dates, with some of these missing the mark by as much as 7 months - with no explanation or update from the club (e.g. www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/4431 ... _December/)
There's also the stories that I can't find about season ticket events to choose seats at the new stadium, detailed CGI modelling of the stadium, etc. which hasn't materialised. Although I personally can appreciate that this delay is more than likely out of Saints' hands, I can also understand some fans mentality who will simply feel that Eamonn McManus's talk of an announcement this week (which now looks unlikely) is just the latest unfulfilled promise by a club that seems to pick and choose when, and what, it wants to communicate. I just hope that the club address this one instead of hoping we all just forget the chairman told us there would be a detailed announcement this week. | |
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erm i thought thats what the term Supporter meant , Supporting your club !!,
the development is HUGE covering Housing at KR the Tescos and the Stadium, so hiccups are bound to happen, the week ISNT over, or do you knock off on Thursdays
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| Quote ="Gruntfuttock"erm i thought thats what the term Supporter meant , Supporting your club !!'"
I Hope we all are Supporters! but that does not being Sheep just Believing anything we are told and it also means asking questions at times, that is being constructive, it is The Club that comes first before those who may run it.
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Quote ="(Saint)"I don't know about people wanting to blow it into a conspiracy, but it is undeniable that there have certainly been some communication 'issues' from the club.
Like you, I am willing to give the club the benefit of the doubt and assume that their hands are tied by legal constraints, other partners, etc. I also have no grasp of the complexities involved in such a difficult process, but I can fully understand the frustration of some supporters who are less patient.
We were given planning permission on 11th July 2008 (2 years ago on Sunday) - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501899.stm
Subsequently, there have been many projected dates, with some of these missing the mark by as much as 7 months - with no explanation or update from the club (e.g. www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/4431 ... _December/)
There's also the stories that I can't find about season ticket events to choose seats at the new stadium, detailed CGI modelling of the stadium, etc. which hasn't materialised. Although I personally can appreciate that this delay is more than likely out of Saints' hands, I can also understand some fans mentality who will simply feel that Eamonn McManus's talk of an announcement this week (which now looks unlikely) is just the latest unfulfilled promise by a club that seems to pick and choose when, and what, it wants to communicate. I just hope that the club address this one instead of hoping we all just forget the chairman told us there would be a detailed announcement this week.'"
We bought a barn behind our house to convert, it took over a year to get planning permission by which time we couldn't afford to do it so we sold it. That was 2 1/2 years ago and the new owners got permission to start work on the conversion last Friday. And that's just a building that's already there being turned into a house. |
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Like you, I am willing to give the club the benefit of the doubt and assume that their hands are tied by legal constraints, other partners, etc. I also have no grasp of the complexities involved in such a difficult process, but I can fully understand the frustration of some supporters who are less patient.
We were given planning permission on 11th July 2008 (2 years ago on Sunday) - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501899.stm
Subsequently, there have been many projected dates, with some of these missing the mark by as much as 7 months - with no explanation or update from the club (e.g. www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/4431 ... _December/)
There's also the stories that I can't find about season ticket events to choose seats at the new stadium, detailed CGI modelling of the stadium, etc. which hasn't materialised. Although I personally can appreciate that this delay is more than likely out of Saints' hands, I can also understand some fans mentality who will simply feel that Eamonn McManus's talk of an announcement this week (which now looks unlikely) is just the latest unfulfilled promise by a club that seems to pick and choose when, and what, it wants to communicate. I just hope that the club address this one instead of hoping we all just forget the chairman told us there would be a detailed announcement this week.'"
We bought a barn behind our house to convert, it took over a year to get planning permission by which time we couldn't afford to do it so we sold it. That was 2 1/2 years ago and the new owners got permission to start work on the conversion last Friday. And that's just a building that's already there being turned into a house. | |
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Elsewhere Rogues has reported that on Radio Manchester tonight they said that there wouldn't be an announcement this week but that Saints hoped to make an announcement next week instead.
I'm sayin nothin.
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First time for everything 
In all seriousness I'm hoping this is a minor (and typical) Saints admin cock up and its just that the club double booked the media room for Friday
I do believe the contractor is in place I just hope work is not being held up by the problems with Langtree's Legal Beagles |
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(does that make it better?)
