You're really splitting hairs, aren't you?

No. There are two developments on that site: Tesco, and us. I presume they will both be using the roundabout? Therefore, in order for either or both developments to begin, the roundabout and entrance roads need to be completed, and that was the task of the council. That isn't a sign that our development is about to begin. It could simply be that the council are doing their part and that either Tesco is about to start work on their development or it could all go quiet again.

Not splitting hairs at all. Just stating the obvious really.

okay sunday update, and ebfore all the moaners start i Know nothing much has changed but it will OK?

Saintsfan you are getting very boring now, the chairman stated that the finances ARE in place a contractor WILL be announced and the work WILL begin soon, what part of that dont you understand?

I understand what he said. I speak English, as he does. The only difference in that speech as opposed to others is that he stated a contractor has been appointed. We've had 'soon' before but it hasn't turned out to be 'soon'. And contractors were supposed to have been appointed by November last year, according to announcements last year.

You're getting boring too. You are repeating the same mantra without actually reading what I'm writing. My issue isn't with McManus. It's with the unreliability of Saints' announcements.

To finish: when it happens, my faith in Saints' announcements will be restored. Until then, I remain skeptical, even if it had been God Himself who had said those words.

She doesn't have faith in his announcements

To be fair you seem to be doing that too!! We all understand you don't believe the club at the moment.

One thing i do agree on is that its the council doing the infrastructure works etc.. But unless they believe that there are no problems with the project would they spend the money and time doing it? No of course they wouldn't, and Tesco can't open without providing funding to complete the stadium should any holes in the finances appear in between.

Having worked in construction for nearly twenty years, all the experienced gained in that time does not enable me to make any sense of those comments.

I would go further by saying you haven't got a bloody clue what you are on about. As of this time, with reducing borrowing and general fiscal tightening, value engineering is one of the key drivers to getting any scheme on site. The only 'contractual term' which prohibits change is the planning application drawings, which casts in stone the size, shape and general external aesthetics of a scheme. Everything thereafter is fair game.

As the representative of this construction GF, am thinking the lack of action is all your fault! Watched kettles and all that, maybe no photos and everything will spring into life????

And is ebfore a bit like ebygum? Tis a long time since I lived oop north???

Good! So then perhaps people will stop coming back at me with the same statements then! And then I won't respond in the same way! But I'm not going to anyway because I can't be bothered.


They have to do it for Tesco as well as Saints. I don't know where the Tesco development is up to, do you? But if it's all ready to go then they will need the infrastructure works completed to enable them to get on to the site, won't they?

Tesco aren't providing any funding towards the stadium. Only Saints are funding the stadium.

you forgot, a contractor has been appointed.

Christ on a bike. And people go on about correcting me and then this gets past the "truth-police" of Doughead and Satfish

Was going to comment on that last night, but now I dont give a $hit, because they will be on site shortly building the "kingdom of heaven right here on earth"
besides Saintsfan seems to want the stadium even more than me.
And you spelt doghead wrong.

yup its all my fault mate actually the builders are shy when i show up to take pictures they all hide until ive gone,so ive put the stadium build back about 6 weeks, and "ebfore" is the new Lanky slang, shseesh i wish you ex pats would keep up !!

But as you keep telling us all we should be positive and Believe in Big Mac, anyway it is going to be open and being used for matches next July??

Sorry we spend so long sunning ourselves on the beaches that we tend to lose touch with the lingo, must beek a refresher course before heading up to the frozen north next time

No way will it be ready for july next year, not a cat in hells chance!

The Salford stadium work is reported to have started, and that construction/design was scaled down and they are saying 2012!

Salford havent even got planning permission to build a stadium yet.

All they are doing is moving mud on a field. This is to give fools (eg the RFL) the impression of a stadium being built.

Check on Salford planning portal however and you will see that the planning application to build a stadium is yet to be approved.

Why not?

A 50-60 weeks build period for a stadium, is more than reasonable.

Outline planning permission has been granted, I have no doubts with Piel Holdings, look at the job they did on The Trafford Centre! are you just trying to be gloomy about another rugby league club for the sake of it?

Outline is not full planning permission.

They have to go through the full bureaucratic process and fulfill any preconditions the council set before construction commences.

Hence Salford can look forward to having to do surveys for Foxes dens and Badger sets and birds nests etc.
In addition they need to submit acceptable traffic surveys and travel plans.

This all takes time, as has been shown by the slow progress at Saints.

Hence why Salford are talking about a 2012 completion date.

Having a daily view of the works underway at Salford's ground then absolutely guaranteed that they will not be doing any further surveys for newts etc. The Site is cleared and before those works go ahead the surveys have to be done.

If you have outline planning you will just make a discharge of conditions submission to fulfil planning requirements.

Sorry but that isn't true. Outline planning only approves in principle building a stadium on that piece of land. Once outline permission is granted, you have to submit a further full planning application (if you want the technical term its called a reserved matters application) before full permission is approved. As far as i know that is what Castleford now need to do before they can progress any further with their proposed stadium. I thought however that Salford had now submitted an application for full planning permission as the design and stadium details have changed significantly. Whichever type of application they have submitted it will come with conditions that will have to be subsequently discharged in the exact same way as the Saints application before any building works can start.

Thanks for correcting me. You have to give Salford credit though it's one hell of a 3D CGI fly-through they've erected on the site to give the impression to everybody driving over Barton Viaduct on the M60 the impression that works have started. It certainly puts Gruntfuttock's photos to shame.

I will try to spot the joins in the screens on my way past tonight.



ps a reserved matters application is not a full planning application of you want to be picky on terminology. It is a application to discharge the conditions contained in the outline permission. You are not applying for permission as you already have it.