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| Quote ="SaintsFan"It was the Chief Executive who made a statement last time, if I remember correctly, and on the Saints website, which is live enough given that probably only Saints fans really care.'"
He was quoted on the website yes, i've never said he hasn't, I've also heard him live in interviews on the radio but again clearly he was only speculating as a contractor hadn't been appointed, it was always "appointed in the next few weeks".... Unfortunately he had his fingers burned due to delays with Langtree and certain pre conditions (available to see on the planning portal) and the club has probably kept quiet to avoid further embarrassment and frustration.
The fact that the chiarman stated that a contractor IS now signed up is no longer speculation, delays must have been overcome, pre conditions must have all been passed - it is a whole different scenario saying someone has officially signed a contract for the build than saying one will be announced shortly.
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| Quote ="Chris Saint"
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Nah, you can tell Saddened does it for a laugh |
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| Quote ="Chris Saint"The fact that the chiarman stated that a contractor IS now signed up is no longer speculation, delays must have been overcome, pre conditions must have all been passed - it is a whole different scenario saying someone has officially signed a contract for the build than saying one will be announced shortly.'"
My point wasn't about the contractor, though. It was about the reliability of announcements from Saints. We fans never did get the opportunity to see the 3D plans, did we? I'll believe it when I hear/see it so far as the stadium is concerned!
Oh, and Billinge Lump, how do you know that Saddened! is joking? Some people cover their feelings with humour to fool others you know. It could be that Saddened! is really quite gloomy underneath. |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"My point wasn't about the contractor, though. It was about the reliability of announcements from Saints. We fans never did get the opportunity to see the 3D plans, did we? I'll believe it when I hear/see it so far as the stadium is concerned!
Oh, and Billinge Lump, how do you know that Saddened! is joking? Some people cover their feelings with humour to fool others you know. It could be that Saddened! is really quite gloomy underneath.
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| Quote ="Sadfish"I'd rather have a spanking new stadium than a set of 3d plans.'"
I just wonder! what your vision is Sadfish of "spanking new stadium" ?? will it end up anything like the one and only illustration/drawing?? or will see a fleet of Ikea lorries arrive with a DIY stadium LOL
Even if Grunt is forced! to post pictures of soldiers?? it is only people asking questions and doing what a forum is a all about discussion! |
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| Quote ="Sadfish"I'd rather have a spanking new stadium than a set of 3d plans.'"
Ditto.
But I'd still like the club to follow through on its announcements. If it does so this time around then that will be great and will do me. But until it happens, scuse me if I remain skeptical. |
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| Quote ="jaybs"Even if Grunt is forced! to post pictures of soldiers?? it is only people asking questions and doing what a forum is a all about discussion!'"
Ask questions on a Saints forum? Think as an individual on a Saints forum? Nah! It just isn't done! Or it is, but the bleeting from the sheep is damn near deafening at the time! |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"My point wasn't about the contractor, though. It was about the reliability of announcements from Saints. We fans never did get the opportunity to see the 3D plans, did we? I'll believe it when I hear/see it so far as the stadium is concerned!
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Why do you care so deeply about the 3D plans or lack there of? 3D plans are good for looking at but loving useless to play rugby in!
You completely missed the point about the club keeping quiet after having their fingers burned with "speculation". This time the club have waited until its been made official before commenting, hopefully delays will be a minimum from here on in.
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| Quote ="Chris Saint"You obviously have little faith in the club (and the coach or even the team with most of your predictions). But please carry on thinking the worst, despite all your doom and gloom its turning into quite a good year so far, the future is certainly bright
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You obviously can't read.
I will spell it out for you, petal.
My point was about the club following through on its announcements. Since it did not do so on more than one occasion, not just the plans, I am skeptical that it will do so this time. Fingers burned goes both ways.
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| Why am i a sheep , when i drive past the stadium site every day and SEE things happening, have you not noticed the pictures on this thead (the reason for the thread by the way) , however if is makes you happy to call people shep when they disagree with your views then fine , it gets very boring when all we get in this thread are people saying "i wil beleive it when i see it" take a look at the site, they arent playing sandcastles they are preparign the site NOW.
Quote Even if Grunt is forced! to post pictures of soldiers?? it is only people asking questions and doing what a forum is a all about discussion!'"
but people are not asking questions or discussing things they are being deliberately down beat and quite frankly not contributing anything to the thread , and jaybs the picture was a light hearted way of saying chill out with the negative waves man, but as a self confessed supporter of another team , Quinns if i recall what does it matter to you how our stadium is getting along? |
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| Quote ="Gruntfuttock"have you not noticed the pictures on this thead (the reason for the thread by the way) '"
Indeed I have and that's great. But it's still not the stadium.
Quote it gets very boring when all we get in this thread are people saying "i wil beleive it when i see it" '"
It may be boring but there have been a number of announcements made by the club that have not been followed through so it's not really surprising that people are skeptical when yet another announcement is promised, is it? I really don't see why you are so upset about people being skeptical in this context. |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Indeed I have and that's great. But it's still not the stadium.'"
Lets just slap some sticks together in the middle of an unprepared bit of land and hope it all goes ok... |
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| Quote ="Chris Saint"Why do you care so deeply about the 3D plans or lack there of? 3D plans are good for looking at but loving useless to play rugby in! '"
3D plans are a waste of money once planning has been approved plus with the architect no longer working on the project it would have been even more expensive to procure them.
Once the builder gets appointed I'm sure he'll get his architect to knock up some "artist's impressions" of what they are going to build for inclusion on publicity/advertising for selling season tickets for next season etc. |
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3d plans mean little in the greater scheme of things. With modern CAD software anyone with an artists bent can create a wonder stadium.
Just look at the pretty pictures produces by Castleford, Wakefield and Salford in the past. Look behind those pretty pictures and it is/was just smoke and mirrors.
Whats people should really ask is, can i see the architects drawings?
With regard to Saints stadium, YES YOU CAN, you can see exactly what the Saints stadium will look like, down to the size of individual rooms and the purpose of rooms etc. You can look at detaild things like style of light fittings in the car parks. The species of trees and plants that are being planted, along with the actual building materials being used in the construction.
A 3d picture is just eye candy. It tells you very little, and is more of a PR stunt than anything substantive.
However human nature being what it is, most people want to see eye candy, rather than something with substance.
Just look on the council planning portal and you can see proper drawings there.
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3d plans mean little in the greater scheme of things. With modern CAD software anyone with an artists bent can create a wonder stadium.
Just look at the pretty pictures produces by Castleford, Wakefield and Salford in the past. Look behind those pretty pictures and it is/was just smoke and mirrors.
Whats people should really ask is, can i see the architects drawings?
With regard to Saints stadium, YES YOU CAN, you can see exactly what the Saints stadium will look like, down to the size of individual rooms and the purpose of rooms etc. You can look at detaild things like style of light fittings in the car parks. The species of trees and plants that are being planted, along with the actual building materials being used in the construction.
A 3d picture is just eye candy. It tells you very little, and is more of a PR stunt than anything substantive.
However human nature being what it is, most people want to see eye candy, rather than something with substance.
Just look on the council planning portal and you can see proper drawings there.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Whats people should really ask is, can i see the architects drawings?
With regard to Saints stadium, YES YOU CAN, you can see exactly what the Saints stadium will look like, down to the size of individual rooms and the purpose of rooms etc. You can look at detaild things like style of light fittings in the car parks. The species of trees and plants that are being planted, along with the actual building materials being used in the construction.'"
Is the architect who has produced those drawings the same one who will "over-see/design" the actual works?
I would imagine that the delay in naming the contractor could well be as negotiations over price have gone on to meet the required budget. The selected contractor will be responsible for the design and build of the stadium and I would imagine will be looking at extensive "value-engineering" even as we write.
As per usual I look forward to Satfish and Doughhead shouting me down (although never correcting me) but they obviously know more about these things than I do. |
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Amd if you had listend to Radio Manchester on Thursday night you would have heard our chairman say it will be of the highest quality, that doesnt sound like we are going for "value engineering" the finance IS in place the specs are drawn up and the plans ARE the final ones
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| Quote ="Ski"Lets just slap some sticks together in the middle of an unprepared bit of land and hope it all goes ok...'"
It would be great just to see the land being prepared. That, to me, would signal building work is actually happening. Alas, so far we have a roundabout, which is the council's baby.
I couldn't care less about 3D plans, although it seems that some people have gotten hung up on them.
I do care that when our club makes a statement concerning the stadium, the content of that statement is followed through. Like I've already said, Saints undermined my faith in the club to do that because they have made a number of statements which have not been followed through.
However, if the promised statement arrives this week and the promised work follows the week after, as promised, then my faith in the club's statements will return. Until then, for me, it's a question of I'll believe it when I see it. |
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"3D plans are a waste of money once planning has been approved plus with the architect no longer working on the project it would have been even more expensive to procure them.
Once the builder gets appointed I'm sure he'll get his architect to knock up some "artist's impressions".'"
I never read about any 3D plans, I always though the many public meetings were for fans to see a model of the new ground. |
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Is the architect who has produced those drawings the same one who will "over-see/design" the actual works?
I would imagine that the delay in naming the contractor could well be as negotiations over price have gone on to meet the required budget. The selected contractor will be responsible for the design and build of the stadium and I would imagine will be looking at extensive "value-engineering" even as we write.
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Show me a building contract that doesnt involve deciding on what the materials used will be.
The builders options to "value engineer" as you put it can be minimised by the strict use of contractual terms.
Please do not judge Saints by the standards that Warrington set in the construction of the Halliwell Jones. That really was a bargain basement build. |
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Show me a building contract that doesnt involve deciding on what the materials used will be.
The builders options to "value engineer" as you put it can be minimised by the strict use of contractual terms.
Please do not judge Saints by the standards that Warrington set in the construction of the Halliwell Jones. That really was a bargain basement build.'"
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"It would be great just to see the land being prepared. That, to me, would signal building work is actually happening. Alas, so far we have a roundabout, which is the council's baby.'"
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