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I'd like to thank Bradford for their contribution of one player to the England team, a player who is leaving you for a much better side.

So please explain to all us "stupid" and "bitter" Saints fans how exactly does Danny Maguire deserve credit for his performance on Saturday against Australia? This isn't a discussion about Grand Finals. It isn't a discussion about Danny Maguires performance in Grand Finals. It isn't a discussion about how many Grand Finals Danny Maguire has played in. It is a discussion about his performance in an England shirt on Saturday against Australia and quite frankly that performance, as far as the majority of English rugby league fans are concerned, does not deserve credit.

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That's a fair assessment.

Wouldnt waste your time on the poster, they are clueless, as they proved.

Danny Mac was gash and the applause for him "leaving" the field was amazing, only time I haev seen such applause for a player leaving the field was at Saitns when we had a waster called Ricky Cowan as our prop, he was awful and would be cheered and applauded each time the fat waster departed the field of play.

he was truly abysmal on saturday mcguire in both attack and defence. him and lee smith in defence couldnt tackle my nan if she was running at them and in attack he wernt at the races picking out the wrong options. him and sinfield seemed to have a pact to pass to each other and ignore the likes of tomkins/roby/eastmond.

Tomkins and eastmond on the other hand shown exactly what we should be expecting our halves to do, they attacked the line and that last 20 minutes when they where at 6 and 7 the aussies couldnt live with us! they have to start 6 and 7 on saturday.

personally, lee smith also gets dropped and tom briscoe returns to the wing. briscoe done nothing wrong to be taken off and he seemed to be the scapegoat for the poor defensive options taken by mcguire and smith.

i would be tempted to play ellis in the centre and call wilkin up to the squad

He hasn't proved himself at international level at all, you keep harking back to the WC semi final. What about the other four games when he was poor (or at best, very average)? Or the two games this year, when he's been poor.

He's got 15 or so caps and he's had one good game? That isn't proving yourself at all.

Oh come on, you're not including Paul Sykes? Makes Slater look dreadful that guy, all class.

Good post, I haven't seen any Leeds fans defending Danny performance, he had a very bad game, very bad but IMO he was one of England’s better players in the disastrous WC last year.

But talk of applauding his subbing and he should never play for England again is just ridiculous, and these people call themselves England "supporters".

I'm guessing if Tomkins & Eastmond fail to get us to the final and beat Aus they should never play for England again?

I never applauded or cheers his subbing, I jsut stated that a huge amoutn of folks around me stood up and clapped and cheerd as soon as it was announced he was departing.

wrong to cheer a player off, but i admit a huge sigh of relief when he went of.

I love the international spell at the end of the season. If only it didn't bring out the worst in RL supporters.

McGuire was toss on Saturday, no doubt about it, but the onrush of delighted fans salivating at the opportunity to score points over the fact is frankly embarrassing.

Unfortunately I suspect a large part of this has come as a result of the Leeds fans that regularly post here that take any possible opportunity to score points over anything that goes remotely wrong at/with Saints.

It used to be wigan and/or warrington fans but the dreadful level of posting that has been happening as a result of the above seems to have driven even them away.

I wonder if McGuire will be dropped. To be fair that's probably the worst game I have ever seen him have and it's not typical of him.

Do you remember a few years back Brian Carney having a nightmare game for GB.

Noble who was coach at that time stood by Carney and Carney repaid him by having a blinder in the next two games.

No one said you did sydney but those who did should be ashamed.

That's all im doing it for. Yes it may be childish, but they didnt hold back in saying how crap Wello was last season and Pryce.

Only difference being the majority of Saints fans on here agreed and said the above 2 players were below par. Where as with McGuire, the Leeds fans still blow bubbles up his backside.

They shouldnt give it out if they cant take it.

Besides, i like calling out their keyboard heros who call me a d*ckhead and such.

Completely agree and I would probably still start with him on Saturday because it's too big a risk going for Eastmond at scrum half given his lack of experience in that position at first grade. Have Eastmond coming off the bench otherwise he'll be blamed, as will Tony Smith for picking him there, if we lose.

You just summed up his international career very well.

It is Sean Long you are talking about isn't it ?

Sean Long didn't prove himself at international level.

I take it that you don't disagree then...

2004 Tri Nations he was outstanding in the games against NZ at the Galpharm and against Aus at the JJB (we won both those games)

2005 was out injured

2006 Didnt do much wrong and played aswell anyone (bar Roby who was outstanding)

2007 Both he and Burrow were outstanding in the whitewash of the Kiwis

2008 as aluded to before McGuire can hold his head up when a lot of players couldnt

2009 had a very poor game against the aussies.

Peoples judgement is being clouded by one very poor game and the fact he has played in many GB/England sides that had their @rses handed to them.

He was voted englands joint second best player behind Peacock by the press for last years world cup, not a very high benchmark but better than the rest.

Mcguire's treatment by the crowd on Saturday was absolutely disgusting! The lad was trying his best but it just wasn't his day and everything he tried didn't come off, its 1 of the worst games i have ever seen him have.
However, i would be very surprised if Tony Smith drops him for this 1 on sat because it is just like him to be outstanding on sat.

The people that booed him off are not rugby fans, you never ever treat 1 of your own players who is trying his best like this! Why do these idiots even go to watch the game. Just because he's a pro rugby league player it doesnt mean that the guy isnt human and he doesnt have feelings.

Mcguire will be playing on sat so if you lot dnt like it, then dont turn up!!!!

His kicks were pretty effective in this year's grand Final.

McGuire had a poor game Saturday, I won't argue with that. He deserved selection because, quite simply, over the course of the season he was head and shoulders the best stand off. Whether one poor game last Saturday means he loses his place remains to be seen.

I think 'judgement' on this site is clouded simply by which club he plays for. There are some Saints fans who are desperate to get one over on Leeds, and this will do nicely.

McGuire has a good deal further to sink before he reaches the performance abyss standard set by Ade Gardner's comedy efforts in the WC last year.

Except in the last 15 mins of that game the half back combination was actually Sinfield and Tomkins, with Eastmond playing a roving role from the right centre. But you're right, we did look better with Sinfield and Tomkins as halves. Just as we looked better with Sinfield at 9.