I never said that. But he is ALWAYS better placed than a fan to judge the utility of a player.

The is a few that ain't done anything in a few grand finals against Leeds and not just pryce.

We will never know if Leon would have made all the difference and it's all down to opinion but IMO he should have been on the bench.

this

According to the demics fans he is going there for cert.

1. Thought the pen was harsh and I was right near it.
2. Think you are pushing it a bit blaming scotty for Shentons injury?
3. We will see on Mon via the Opta stats whether he gave the most pens. I saw two but I think Sia gave away three and was also guilty with Meli for the hall try.

I think you are wrong and we should keep him.
At least he had a real go unlike other some "senior" players e.g. wilkin (was he playing), Jammer (one game too many) LMS (looked a bit flat - again!) and TP (not looked himself since coming back from his injuries.

Shenton got injured because of scott moore.

You were 8 up and cruising with 20 to go and then on the very first tackle, moore high tackles jones bishop on the kick return under no pressure.

From the next play clarkson drives in and shenton injures his arm. Then it was one way traffic.

You take that high tackle out of the equation, the last 20 follows a completly different timeline. One where saints are penning leeds in their own half without the shenton injury and leeds being able exploiting it.

Take away that one act and people on here would be cock a hooot.

It was the very definition of a turning point in a big game.

I agree with all this sadly. I like Scott Moore as a players a lot but that loony penalty turned the game completely and definitely cost us the game - our forwards looked on the verge of really starting to put the hammer down and start rolling all over them - instead with Shenton off it was open season down Saints' right, and Leeds are just far too good a side out wide to let that go to waste. If the rumours of him being off are true then maybe that's not a bad thing right now...

Spot on with this. Our forwards were pants in the first half.

The problem with Scott Moore is that he lacks brains. He has the aggression we sorely need in our forwards but he lacks the brains to direct it appropriately. But his penalties alone were not the reason we lost.

We lost in part because our forwards were pants in the first half, meaning our young halves had no space to work in, and we lost overall because Wello and Shenton went off. Shenton was having a great game and so was Wello. Having a combo of Meli and Soliola on one edge was like offering Leeds an early Christmas present, gift wrapped and all.

Get shut of Moore asap-absolute liability

True, Wayne Bennett stated, If you take any notice of the fans it won't be long before your sat with them.

Very true, and when your Wayne Bennett you can be like that. The flip side is of course if you ignore the fans you end up at Bradford ...

Its still absurd to blame moore for shentons injury.
Shnetons injury was a freak accident which could have happened at any time.

It's unreal that anyone can blame Moore for shentons injury, it was a freak accident.

Moore should not put on a Saint's jersey again. Not just for last night but on a balanced assessment.

Had several chances including a return from his loan spells.

Flashes of good things punctuated by the same mistakes again and again on the field.

Off the field a complete prima donna. A not very bright Leigh beer boy with a god complex.

Had more chances on and off the field than most. A thinking man's Ste Bannister.

Good bye.

Prima Donna off the field? Where do you get that from?

Please Saints get rid of him.



He is just not good enough and is a liability to the team as was shown last night.

seconded with a passion

I pm few people on here about 2 month ago that saints has told Moore he was no longer wanted at saints and he could look for another club and we wouldn't want a fee.

Widnes are convinced its a done deal.
Our loss IMO.

Was no club mentioned but was told he can go.

How that would work if he said he's staying and bring under contract I don't know but I've got a funny feeling he won't contest it.

If anything, it was the nasty Soliola that caused it. Appeared to get stuck between Soliola and Clarkson.

No loss to Saints whatsoever sadly. Too many brainfarts and penalties for me. I am fuming thinking back to his tackle of BJB last night.

Talking of BJB, looks like he's going to have few dodgy times with kicks next year.

Indeed. I was pulling my hair out that we weren't bombing him more, but for as long as I can remember, we've never been a team that relies on the high bomb regularly. Maybe it is something we should look at doing more, especially when it is utterly p*ssing it down.

The tackle came at a bad time and gave leeds the mommentum they badly needed. I watched in again in slo-mo and it really was not that bad - he hit across the back of BJB near his shoulder and then slid his arm up around his neck.
Seen loads worse tackles not given.

Whilst I'm on the topic and also apprently being Moore's sole defender; according to Opta he conceded a grand total of one penalty with Sia and LMS committing two offences each. No errors either from scotty and he had the third highest no of tackles.
Not many brain farts on show there?

His real let down at the GF was his 3 missed tackles including the vital rob burrow one when he was clearly knackered and in any other game would have been rested and brought off before then.

The only thing that cheered me up watching the replay was meli tacking fresh air on the touch line and lookin bewildered - priceless.

Confirmed to Widnes members...

The Vikings are today delighted to announce the signing of hooker Scott Moore from St Helens. The 23 year-old has agreed terms on a three-year deal from 2012.