Rogues his been poor. He gets absolutely slated on the official new zealand watriors forum. He was a poor half back 4 years ago. His been selected because of his versatility and experiance.

Are you for real. Leuluai has been holding down a regular place in a NRL side. How many current Super League halfbacks do you think could do that, certainly not (and I like and rate the guy) Matty Smith.

He was holding down a permanent spot only because roger was injured so they moved lolohea to full back. That left them only sean johnson fit and he was injured nor a number of weeks.

Leuluai played his best rugby for Wigan at 9. I remember these boards well around the time he used to get slated by wigan fans for having a poor kicking game and not leading the team around the park. He had the outstanding grand final against saints that saved his bacon

He got that because he agreed to leave.

Aye NZ Warriors; even rat boy got a game there.

Do you genuinely think that?

I was surprised when I heard wigan signed Leulai, but he is definately still worth a shot as 9 and half back utility, maybe Wigan see him moving into coaching a bit there as well?

I don't think he is the world beater he was when the Kiwis won the World Cup.

It'll be interesting to see where, and how he plays for New Zealand in the forthcoming games. Regarding Smith I told everyone on here and Red Vee that the deal was agreed months ago, and as I said that was confirmed by Ian Lenagan on Tuesday.

Which would suggest it wasn't a reward for his sterling services but an offer too good for Wigan to refuse to offload an average player?

No, it was as a reward for his service and the fact that he was being offered a four year (3 + 1) contract at Saints, so Wigan didn't stand in his way for a move that would be in the best interests of him and his family. They haven't been averse to letting players move on over the last few years have they?
Just have a listen to Lenagan at Tuesdays dinner on Wigan t.v.

Yes Mattys steadiness and leadership allowed George to thrive.

Mattys comments were humble. He doesn't do boasting.

I don't recall Bibey playing for England? Or Mathers? You're being a bit naughty there. We can all come up with players who have won something on the backs of others. They tend not to win Lance Todd trophies or caps for England though.

What it shows is that Lenagan will put the financial well being of the club ahead of success or popularity. Or so the vast majority of your supporters have been bemoaning. He must be laughing all the way to the bank, & probably more success, by off-loading Smith.

I've wanted shut of Smith for about 2 years now, he can have very good games but the truth of the matter is that he's limited in what he can do, and he isn't even consistent to back that up.

For every off the cuff 40/20 like last week he kicks, he'll go early on the 3rd tackle and find the opposition fullback with an astounding level of accuracy!

I'll say this for him though, if you're level with a team with 10 minutes to go, he'll win you the game with a drop goal. Never seen a player as good at them at Wigan.

Confirmed in todays League Express that Tommy Lee has signed for Saints.

As a HB or back-up hooker?

That's the big news I've been waiting for, I'm off to Renew my season ticket and pre order new saints top with Lee on the back

Now that is a truly awful signing, Smith is a first string SL halfback by any sensible measure, but Tommy Lee...well he certainly has a great future behind him!
Don't know what is going on at Saints, but it seems like for every sensible signing there has to be a Jack Owens type player signed, someone not good enough for a smaller club!

If these were signings for the first team then I'd be worried, but they are simply cheap backup players for when we suffer the inevitable injuries. A full strength saints team doesn't have the likes of Owens and Lee near it.

These useless players are blocking the advancement of the younger players coming through the system.

I'm sure he wouldn't sign cheap backup players for positions that had quality coming through from the youth ranks, right now. KC has brought players in from the youth team.

Were currently 5 in 12 out, basic maths suggests the kids will get more of a chance!

Of course we might suggest that the wrong kids are getting a chance, but thats a whole other discussion!

Just to play devil's advocate because no one else seems to be bothered.

Tommy Lee was made captain at Crusaders by Brian Noble and captain at Salford by Tim Sheens. He has now been bought by Kieran Cunniham.

Might I suggest that those three know a little bit about both leadership and playing hooker? He has been signed to give James Roby a breather not to build your team around. He may turn out to be a decent buy.

Agree here. Ive always seen lee as solid and dependable. Wouldnt be surprised through the seaon to see Saints fans saying what a surprise etc. To be fair his signing gives them a proven super league player to properly spell Roby in my eyes rather than putting people like Knowles in there

I hope he does prove a lot of people wrong, but I also don't think it's a surprise that we're his 7th club in seven years. Wouldn't surprise me at all if there is an 8th next year either. He's not a good player, he's probably not even a Super League level player. But he's probably very cheap.