I think the speed of the ptb is pretty much spot on this year.

Teams getting numbers into the tackle can slow it down, but are being forced into getting off cleanly by being penalised for offences such as having the hands in more often, and are not being allowed to lie on for more than a few seconds once the tackle has actually been made.

We're getting more set defences (which we need to help develop skilful players), but the game is not the boreathon it was at times last year. I don't understand the constant whinging about it on the Sky coverage, dummy half running can be exciting when it is used occasionally, constant 5 drives of dummy half running and then a play is not. We may as well be watching contact basketball.

Where have all the know nothing flannery haters gone?

As a Leeds fan I have to agree....the quick play the ball behind a dominant pack is what allows us to demolish teams....last night you did it to us. (The amount of possession, repeat sets and penalties conceded by a 'woeful' Leeds helped too).

You obviously raised your game ...as a lot of teams will do against the "champions" (esp because of three recent GF's

). Credit to you though for the seemingly patched up team epitomised by Graham's tracking back on Burrow at the end. It's spirit like that which makes me admire these guys who play our game. They ALL deserve to keep their places: the importance of a good goalkicker was also highlighted. Sinny had a relatively off day; your young lad was awesome.

I am trying to convert my Rugby Union immersed and indoctrinated son....watching Leeds against Hull in the cup and then your win over us is far more convincing than the spoiling wrestling tactics that Huddersfield and Wigan have recently perfected. Good luck to them for taking advantage(can't blame them)....BUT the RL really does need to try getting some clear ground rules established as to what is acceptable. Two refs would help...but we already struggle with the levels of refereeing competency and consistency....how on earth would we find enough of the calibre we need ?? The 'wrestle' looks like it's here to stay unfortunately.

my Rugby Union immersed and indoctrinated son

Ooops ! I meant my stepson.

....My son back in Leeds is has adopted the right 'religion' of course.

not a lot to say thought saints played really well especially and worringly with quite a few missing. We were poor but thing that had a lot to do with saints out playing us and putting us under lots of pressure. Think it's bit disrespectful to saints to just say we were poor. We played as well as we were allowed.

rubbish. Unforced errors, no repeat sets, poor disipline. totally robbed for the no try obstruction when there wasn't one. we never bounced back from that. we let ourselves down. Plus sanits playing well. bulid pressure, fast up the middle, better disipline. Good kicking game. it's not like both teams were on top form and saints nicked it! we got hammered cos we were crap and saints were good!

There was a clear obstruction, IMO. The Leeds player (JJB?) ran straight into the Saints player (Moore?), and knocked him back and stopped him putting McGuire under more pressure and possibly getting to him. The Leeds player could have quite easily angled his run slightly better and gone into the gap at the side of the Saints player. Definite obstruction, IMO.

your having a laugh mate you see it every week. he would have got nowhere near mcguire. jjb runs his line moor gambles on him getting the ball. It was a miss read. it was a very poor call from child. But some you get some you don't ! Let's see if we both have the same convictions when the call goes the other way for our respective teams?

He ran straight into Moore, I didn't say that Moore would have got to McGuire, but he would have put more pressure on McGuire, which may have resulted in a poorer pass. Leeds are the first to throw there hands in the air and scream for obstruction when the opposition scores a try, on this occasion, i think it was obstruction. Moore doesn't tackle JJB, he is drifting across, and JJB stops him moving up towards McGuire, hence it's obstruction. JJB could have avoided Moore, IMO.

I watched the game this morning and didn't think the was anything wrong with the try. I couldn't tell at the game but on tv I think it was pretty harsh not to give the try.

I also think saints had a try not given by video ref. The ball touched grass and should have been a try.

At the ground, even having watched the big screen, I couldn't believe we got the decision for the Hall no-try. Having watched the match on telly this morning, I can see more of an argument for disallowing it but we'll undoubtedly see tries of a similar nature being awarded so I can understand the upset coming from the Leeds fans.

I was surprised at the KC decision at the ground, and since watching the replay. There is an angle which seems to show quite clearly the ball touching the ground. While I accept the other angles suggested no try, surely on the basis that one angle did show a grounding, it should have merited a Benefit of Doubt decision at least?

On balance, the two calls evened each other out IMO.

I'd agree with that.

JJB quite clearly runs into Moore,if he'd done his job properly and run into the gap as your supposed to It would have been a try.
Right decision for me.

Did anyone else think Sinfield was back up to his old tricks again last night,blah blah blah at the ref all the time.

Him and McGuire were sulking and throwing tantrums all game!

How long was he taking with the drop-outs too? Something needs to be done. I know the clock is stopped, but he takes the p!ss with the amount of time he takes to take the drop-out.

Now you really are been bitter in victory. you need to get over 07,08 and 09. quite a few of your fellow posters seem to have gotten past it.

He was no different to Wellens , except he had the rite to speak to the referee as captain.

Did your team go for a nice evening meal at nandos after your crushing defeat by the Quins rogues?

I don't know (honestly). Radders wasn't best pleased when he came into the SS bar for his post match report though.

The better side won on the night, we gave away far too much ball, playing fancy dan rugby in the second half, but we're still up there and will be in the top four come the end of the season.

No complaints from me or the more reasoned Wigan fans, and not blaming injuries.

A long way to go yet, but generally we're going o.k. and there's a lot of talent still emerging. I just hope we can manage it properly.
Thank you for Liam Carberry.

What does the point i raised have to do with any Grand Final? How does it make me seem bitter?

It was just something that was doing my (and plenty of others) head in at the game. He was taking ages, people want the game speeding up, and soft ar$e decided to take a fortnight to take each drop-out really doesn't help things.

there it is again you see! how tinted are your specs? Every team at every level in every country that plays the bloody sport especially in sl and the nrl even including your beloved saints are coached to take as much time as you can to give the lads a breather before the repeat set! why have a go at sini for something all teams do! are you bitter? just a bit! Obsessed? you bet you are!

I didn't say that all teams don't do it. I didn't say they aren't coached to do it. I said something should be done to speed it up, that goes for all teams. I had a go at 'Sini' because he was the last person that took a drop out against us, that took a fortnight to get the game re-started. If you'd have managed to force some drop-outs, maybe i'd have been able to pull Wellens on it? But you didn't so i can't. Never mind.

Why are you arguing with a complete numpty ?