I don't remember the last time I saw either coach take to the pitch ... when was it?

you cannot be that stupid

so you think the coach is irrelevant?

Of course the coach isn't irrelevant! I just think some of the things that have been said by some people on here and on other threads are really stupid. They just make me laugh. Some people wanted us to have Maguire as our coach, obviously. Well, we don't have. Thank God. Why? Because I would HATE Saints to be playing the kind of rugby Wigan are playing. I wouldn't watch them as I would be asleep by halftime at best.

I'm very happy to give our new coach the same grace I gave our previous coach when he was in his first season. We need to learn a new way of playing post-Cunningham era and that is going to take time. We are now on our FOURTH halfback pairing of this season, and we are only up to week six. We will be down LMS, Wilkin, Pryce and Soliola with question marks over TP and Cloughie. We haven't had any consistency at all plus moving into a new stadium plus the Eastmond saga ...

I think the reaction of some people on here is laughable, and that is what I was laughing at. If we are still as bad in ten weeks time as we are now then I might begin to have my doubts but really, it's just ridiculous.

Im sure the rest of Wigan will also be happy you are not playimg the same way as we are

wigan are playing a similar brand of rugby as we did in 2006, i'm sure you hated that

Sorry but I disagree, the major difference between the squads is three-fold, 1) Consistency 2) Fitness 3) Team Spirit.

Now whilst the coach can no doubt influence these things he cannot be held accountable for them all, the players themselves and the medical/fitness teams must bear their own amount of responsibility. There have been so many disruptions in the Saints camp since the end of last season and the sooner we reach a level when the team and the coach can concentrate solely on playing good rugby the better. The problem is we are weeks away from that happening and unless we force it to we will continue to see poor performances on the pitch and complaints from fans in threads like this, in the pubs and on the terraces.

those things i would put down, mostly, to the coach AND his staff

Hahaha! How many tries did our wingers score last year? How many did you lot score through KFC, Graham, TP or Roby bargeing over? You're a bitter idiot that can't accept Wigan are better than Stains.

If that is what we will be watching in five years i accept our union overlords

But that match was nothing like Wigan -v- Hudds! It was pacey, it was great attacking rugby league! Wigan -v- Hudds was a snoozefest!

Like I said, you can have great defence but still have great open, attacking rugby.

No it was error strewn with no structure. Wigan or Huddersfield would have beaten both those those teams by 12 points.
If you want to watch games like that I suggest you go watch basketball or in your case netball.

Saints were by far the better team btw.

Yeah, like you did in Cardiff you mean?



If that is what 'no structure' means then give me no structure any day of the week. I just loved that match. That's my kind of rugby league. You can keep your unionesque style if it suits.

It's good of you to admit it

Oh, not me. I was fully in support of Royce Simmons. So I'm enjoying the fact that it would appear the coach was not the problem; the team was the problem. Or, more to the point, the attitude of the team was the problem.

Me, I'm just feeling smug about saying the sensible stuff on here for once!

Whenever I want a good laugh on here I just make sure I have a read of what SaintsFan says because it has zero relevance to reality - Wigan scored more tries than any other team last season - not bad for such a defensive, boring team eh?

Sometimes you have to play the cards you have been dealt, which is what Wigan did last night and what Saints did tonight given the players they both had missing - both teams taking account of which team they were playing and what strengths and weaknesses their own players had, as well as the opposition. Both in their own way were utterly ruthless and clinical and it's games like these that will determine where we both are in the mix at the end of the season.

Kerching! Wrong! WE did!

But even if you had, that wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. Your method of doing so with your stifling defence would still have bored me to sleep.

It's all a matter of taste. But I'm on the open attacking play side, with a good defence obviously.

You're right (always a first time eh?), we were until the last couple of games. Anyway still not bad for such a boring team. Who would have thought such a boring defensive team had the two top try scorers who were both wingers? We all know there's nothing a defensive boring team love more than playing expansive rugby and getting ball out to their wingers.

If we're so boring, what does that make Saints given you only scored 8 more tries last season?

Think your refering to leeds v saints matches 2/3 yrs ago
Both pretty average now and dont worry old Roycie boy will do the boring bit.

You'd make a great coach. 'Right lads, I want to work on defence. But not the type of defence that doesn't concede points. No. I want defence that looks pretty, and of course, we all know great defence and open attacking play are mutually exclusive. Concede away!'.

You mean with the exception of ours tonight?
You are being a little premature me thinks.

Bloody brilliant, obviously.

The defence was great last night at Leeds. It shows what a little hard work and never give in attitude can do to a teams defence.

It's only one game tho mate, Wigan have done it all last season and all this season. Let's hope we can find the confidence to keep it up.

Just as boring, obviously.