He isn't a hooker though is he? Thought he was a LF?

Sure KC will probably blame him anyway. Looks like Percival is fecked again too. Any decent players we do have are seemingly made of glass.

Yes Salford definitely title contenders now. The bookies stopped taking bets on it.

If you read my original post, you will see I'm not having a pop at Salford as they have shown us up in every department and we'll worth the win and the score. I'm just pointing out to NickyKiss that Wigan loss to cas is different to our loss tonight.

Very very harsh. He's done ok in a shocking performance and If we are totally honest he shouldn't be playing.

KC team selections tonight have been shocking. We look lost.

Ultimately this is about coaching. We haven't now had any type of threatening attack for 12 months. And it is unacceptable to be consistently unable to defend at all within 10 metres of either touchline.

The daft decision to extend KC's contract has been made. We now need a director of rugby to come in and be the actual coach, because under Cunningham, a lot of decent players are looking like park pitch amateurs.

We got what we deserved.

Set up negatively, poor selection choices and a poor attitude.

Can't wait for Cunningham's excuses after this one. It was horrid.

KC just baffles me with his comments and actions. I could spend all night writing his contradicting comments.

For instance, where is one of the best young players in the world in Greenwood?

Praised the hell out of fages all pre season and can't get a look in.

JT had finally found his position at LF last year but he's 6 this year ?

Well you can guarantee it won't be his fault, it never is. A man out of his depth.

Very poor, a combination of poor selection and poor attitude. They and most of us fans thought we'd turn up and beat them easily. We had no idea that Salford had a performance like that in them.

Cunningham will learn from it. The lads will learn from it. Very harsh but necessary lesson.

Is luke Walsh the softest ever saints player. . . . ?

He plays the game like he's terrified of contact. Walking the ball out for that drop out, good grief that annoys me.

KC basically admitting he's not got a clue there. Admitted he knew they were complacent and couldn't do a damn thing about it. He's called the player's attitudes into question, said he asked for a response and got nothing. If that's the case, there isn't much of a future there really is there?

A lot of you on here mocked me when I said we'd struggle to make the top four. As poor as the rest of Super League is, we're now well amongst the middle of the table sides. If this poor attitude continues, we'll struggle to make the top 6 this season.

Our recruitment? Utterly pathetic. Jack Owens isn't a St Helens player. He's not a Super League player and whoever made the decision to sign him needs looking at. Even more worrying is that we're chasing another Widnes player rather than being ambitious. At best this season we'll have a season like Warrington and Hull did last year. What we won't do is recruit like they have.

I said it before the season started that Saints fans need to lower our expectations. We're not capable of winning trophies anymore. We've got a squad of average players and only Roby and Walsmley with any real quality. When either is out we'll lose, if both were out I'd guarantee it. Top 6 would be an achievement for this team.

As expected Cunningham ducks any sort of responsibility.

Said on sky that he could smell complacency before the match.

I dispair....

I'd say Turner and Tasi are just as bad.

We need to sign an average utility player, quickstyle. Something to appease the fans...

Will he? Clueless as a coach for me, it's going to be particularly painful watching us struggle under KC and watching him destroy his own legacy.

I for one don't think we will make top 4. To many teams have recruited well and we haven't.

Sky was saying post game how the dry weather will benefit us but I disagree, we are no longer a dry track team, we are wet weather team who then can grind a win out.

Tbe days of champagne rugby are well gone.

Just heard the result, did Fages get on the pitch or was he sat on his backside like Burns. Looks like LMS and Greenwood for centres next week because KC is totally committed to proving at all costs that Turner is a no 6.............not.

Is complacency one of your new signings?

Yeah, he is a lightweight centre/2nd rower.

Cas were/are a better side but I wouldn't write Salfird off either. They've made some shrewd signings and after a hiccup last week (against a hugely fired up and hyped Hull team) they showed it tonight. Sometimes you start games slowly and you get burned. It reminded of our game with Cas for sure but I really do feel it may be the kick up the backside you need.

You've a few lads to come back in including your best player and leader so I wouldn't be writing the season off yet. I don't know what KC's issue is with Burns but you'd have to think he'd have been a better option at 9 then the young kid tonight (who had a mare).

From memory he came on after about 55 minutes and did absolutely nothing.

You missed it? Great for you, you can pretend we're still a good side. The first half was the worst I've ever seen Saints play. It was so poor that there really have to be questions tomorrow. I'm sure the club won't sack KC, but it was one of those performances that require action. Something has to be done, whether it's a new captain, an apology from the players or a change of tactics and ideas. They can fix it all by ripping into Sydney Roosters next week, but I doubt they'll have the ability to prevent them from scoring.

The blame for tonight lies mainly with Owens and the pack (as well as Cunningham obviously) if you ask me. From our forwards we had poor line speed, awful control of the PTB speed and consistently put on our backs all night. Even more criminal than this, we were out-enthused.

With regards to Owens, I'm generally pretty reserved with judging players after a couple of matches, but I don't think he's a fullback. Looking beyond his obvious missed tackles and knock ons, his numbering up was really poor. We consistently got our numbers wrong and the blame for that has to lie with your fullback. He's also too sidewards on kicks, which only really works if you're absolutely rapid and can beat players consistently on the outside. In the first half he took a kick on about the 35 after a (rare) good defensive set, went most of the width of the pitch and made maybe 5 metres forward. If he had been really direct he'd have got over halfway and we finish the set on Salford's line. Instead he goes sidewards, gets dominated by an aggressive defensive and finishes with a slow PTB in a corner, meaning we don't get over halfway till 3rd.

I,ve just heard we were kicking on the 3rd and 4th tackle again, the defence and kicking game having completely disappeared from last weeks game. Sounds like the "Jekyll and Hyde" saints has resurfaced. Is Charnock injured because he should have been playing no 9.

Yeah, it was ridiculous. Kicking on the 3rd tackle, ball would land in O'Brien's arms just inside his own half. They'd then have six tackles in our half and for most of the first half were making a break off pretty much every play. They could have scored more in the first half than they did. There really was only Walmsley that can hold their head up and say they tried.

Check out @dearden_91 tweet on Twitter. That's what the old Saints fans would have been doing about now.

This is the Saints version of Paul Cullen, you hold on that little bit longer cos you love the bloke to bits but deep down you know he needs to go.