On paper I think us, Wire and Catalans are looking the strongest teams this season but paper means little. Obviously I'd love us to sweep all before us just as every fan would of their own club. I don't think that winning the GF last year or beating Wigan in a friendly means anything. I don't have a clue what we might achieve as in many respects we are a different team to last year (including the coaching staff) and with our injury record ambitions are probably all useless anyway. I'm erring on the side of caution, adopting a wait and see policy, just as I always do with a new coach in charge.

Happy with the KC appointment ?

But Sia didn't play prop and never overrated.

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Shut door on way out

Why is it that when someone comes on here with a point of view that is different that the general consensus, they are shouted down and berated until they leave. Topics turn into slanging matches and personal abuse thrown around. It really is quite depressing.

I think winning the GF will have a bigger impact than you think in terms of confidence and self-belief. Imagine how different the mood would be amongst the squad had we lost that final.

For the younger players especially, the Grand Final will have a positive influence on 2015.

I don't think anyone has objected to SLS having an opinion different from the consensus (if there is one).

You mean by not agreeing with him makes it a slanging match ?

Nobody called anyone names. It's a forum and people debate. If everyone agreed on everything then these boards would be awfully boring.

I know Sia didn't play prop. Fact!

I can't believe anyone could call Sia overrated.


I couldn't care if he leaves the forum or not but if I don't agree with him I will tell him as I do with all posters on all boards.

I'm not the Keith chegwin of rlfans.

Exactly and that's why I love having Brian on our board as we can chat, agree, disagree and debate but remain friends.

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Well ... That escalated quickly.

My 2 cents:

Sia has never played prop (other than short bursts when needed) - he has however played at lock multiple times and played through the middle which is where I guess SLS is coming from.

If greenwood keeps up his preseason form, I'm sure that will go a long way to mitigate the loss of Soliola (as the loss of Manu is mitigated by Vea coming good) - Soliola had his flaws as a player as does everyone.


I've read a few times that we've been using the defensive structure of Daniel Anderson in the friendlies, which should be good, but you can't afford to have Mavericks as a result (like Vinnie Anderson) and Sia (and his fondness to miss a tackle) could of become that

It's a forum. Man up! If people don't agree with you so what! That's what forums are all about!

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So we went into games with Richards, Mose, Lms, walmsley, Thompson, sia and Manu as props? That's 7 props in the 17!


When we lost Walsh we had to play a different game. We no longer could play free flowing rugby, we had to grind wins out. We had the likes of wello, lance, turner and flash (FFS) playing in the halves so we played to our strengths which was a forward game down the middle.

Sia didn't play prop but was more central as was all our backrows. He lined up on the team sheet as second row. He took the kick off position as second row. He was actually playing second row. Maybe not on the edges but I can assure you he played second row.

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Quote ="SLS"Sia played central but lined up on the team sheet in the second row and stood there for the kick off ? He played central. You acknowledge it yourself. If he plays central always and invariably never moves to the inside centre channel unless through an obvious tactical shift, he's playing at prop. Where he lines up on the team sheet or stands at kick off means nowt. Anyway, this is going to go on all night. You say he played second row (even though you admit he didn't ) and I say he played prop. Let's leave it at that, I can't be d anymore with you and your abuse.'" www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... ra-raiders sportinglife.aol.co.uk/rugby-lea ... ra-raiders www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... 014-season m.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport/s ... -1-6902134 m.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport/s ... -1-6902134 Seems he's a second row. If tommy or swifty take it down the middle, does that make them props?

Quote ="SLS"Sia played central but lined up on the team sheet in the second row and stood there for the kick off ? He played central. You acknowledge it yourself. If he plays central always and invariably never moves to the inside centre channel unless through an obvious tactical shift, he's playing at prop. Where he lines up on the team sheet or stands at kick off means nowt. Anyway, this is going to go on all night. You say he played second row (even though you admit he didn't ) and I say he played prop. Let's leave it at that, I can't be d anymore with you and your abuse.'" www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... ra-raiders sportinglife.aol.co.uk/rugby-lea ... ra-raiders www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... 014-season m.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport/s ... -1-6902134 m.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport/s ... -1-6902134 Seems he's a second row. If tommy or swifty take it down the middle, does that make them props?

Hahahaha.

I can't quite believe that's your reposte. Some media articles. Of course they'll label him at back row as that's how he's been utilised for much of his career (or at centre). I haven't said otherwise. What I have said is that last year he was played almost entirely as an extra prop from the back of the scrum. I'm not sure why you take such issue with it ?

Of course Makinson or Swift aren't props. There's a difference between the odd run from dummy half out your twenty and Soliola's regular, over a full season, playing as a 3rd/4th prop, taking constant drives off one or two man plays up the centre of the field and never playing down the inside centre channel as a traditional second row forward would.

Honestly, why do you persist ? What's your ing problem, pal ? I say he played central, you say he didn't, so what ?!?! Get over it and stop ing hounding me about it.

You still here ?


Is this your last post? Like the last post before that and the last post before that and last before that.........

And that's exactly what I'm talking about.

I've asked for my account to be deleted, once it is, I'm out of your hair.

Congrats. You've successfully hounded me off here.

Did he say numerous times "this is my last post" ?

Did he say he was leaving ?


I'm merely asking the question.

I'm not posting anything else to do with SLS in order to get the thread back on track. I'm a man of my word and won't be harping back to any SLS posts.

This is my last post regarding SLS.

Oh, wow, man. Thanks very much.

In between telling me I'm laughable, checking whether I am Wayne Bennett, agreeing that I'm hated, telling me to shut the door on my way out, telling me to man up and then mithering me as to why I'm still here, it's been great.

I think SLS is getting a bit confused in his assumption that Sia was playing prop, yes he did adopt to a different task of making hard yards, this was at the time when our pack was being bullied mid season.
If Sia was playing prop as suggested I don,t recall him packing down in the front row, an odd occasion maybe.
Not everyone agrees or "bows down" to St Pete, he goes off the leash sometimes, usually its better to back off if someone can,t get there opinion over after about 3 attempts, otherwise it goes into a slanging fest.
Looking forward to the new season and wondering who Saddened, Saints Fan and St Pete will choose for critique 2015.