But you are just proving the point that RL didn't begin in 1996, just as football didn't begin with the advent of the Premier League.

Ah! but we are now talking about Super League. Like the play-offs it is a new competition and Saints are leading the way.

We prefer to stick to the professional era thanks.

When rugby became fair and even you mean?

It always was.
Do Salford, Cas, Huddersfield, HKR, Wakefield etc spend the same as Wigan, Wire & Leeds?

in the 1970's did Wire not buy half the Leigh team, did Salford under Brian Snape not buy a lot of very good players, Charlton, Hesketh, Burgess, Dixon, Fielden, Richards etc.
Did Hull and HKR not invest heavily in Aussie and NZ players?

Did Saints not buy, Newlove, Scully, Sullivan, Martyn, Nickle, Joynt etc?

Too much sangria here, a certain team that used to have their own ground used to spend more money just on large brown envelopes than half the teams spent on their players wages in pre SL era.

And that team nearly went bust and needed to have dispensation to spend miles more than everyone else (aka an advantage) after the cap was introduced just to cover the hugh wages it was paying certain players

Fair and even? - If Bentham is ref it's never fair or even

That's a bit rich from a team that's just lost £1.3 million in one season! Ask at the shareholders meeting how you are going to deal with the image rights and EBT trust payments from HMRC that are coming your way.

ok - we have debts we can cope with and we have a new stadium and business plan that will see us good in the near future - your team on the other hand sold your stadium paid your debts then realised you didnt have enough money to buy a new one.....then went begging to the local football team owner. You were spending so much on salaries you had to get permission to not comply to the cap which was fine other than the fact you wernt put on a transfer freeze (which was disgusting but typical).

[iHere's some facts for your sig

Saints - owners of a wonderful new stadium my council tax helped develop

- For Knowsley Road you get a nice wedge of cash and a new home

- For Central Park you get a great new supermarket and a timeshare in a football stadium[/i

Ahh Tesco
Building Warrington and St Helens future
Destroying Wigans past

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5.00 mins in you can hear Maguire in the background.

Since the RFL is not disclosing which clubs are involved in image rights payments or EBT trust payments, you haven't got a clue whether Saints have any involvement in either. You know nothing.

Look. We booted you out of the comp. Get over it.

Good one.

Recent history says that we beat you in last year's final!

actually recent history says SAINTS dumped you out of the same comp. T W I C E.

Just because the RFL is not releasing the information does not mean that some people don't know who is involved. Just as I explained to you the other night the man of steel result was known to some people way before it was announced.

Your own chairman admitted on Radio Manchester last year that Saints were using those payments.
I don't know when the Saints shareholders meeting is but someone should ask the question regarding Saints liability to the tax man. I'm sure it will be asked at Wigan next Tuesday, that is of course assuming that the shareholders at Saints are not all "yes men".

I personally have been told the names of six clubs who have used these types of payments, some clubs have already made provisional statements in their accounts to cover them. It was one of the main problems at Wakefield for example.
Why do you think the Leeds South Stand rebuild has been cancelled?

HTH

There are a few more reasoned posters on here who will know what I'm on about!

i'm certainly not a "yes" man

Quote ="Saint Simon"i'm certainly not a "yes" man'" Good, you are one of the posters who know what I'm on about though. When is the shareholders meeting? Wigans is next Tuesday. Just so that I don't get accused of derailing the thread (although it is about Wigan) ther'e a good discussion about the issues on here. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=510322

Quote ="Saint Simon"i'm certainly not a "yes" man'" Good, you are one of the posters who know what I'm on about though. When is the shareholders meeting? Wigans is next Tuesday. Just so that I don't get accused of derailing the thread (although it is about Wigan) ther'e a good discussion about the issues on here. viewtopic.php?f=28&t=510322

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Every time Warrington make a signing we have Wiganers crying about how come we can sign all these players, we must be over the cap etc etc, they must be living in fear of our mighty line up!