I hope he proves me wrong but as long as i've got a hole in my bottom Frodsham will never be a top player

He is only 19, give him time.

I'd go for

Wellens
Gardner
Gidley
Soliola
Meli
Eastmond
Smith
Graham
Moore
NEW PROP (Bailey)
Flannery
Puletua
Wilkin

Roby
Clough
Fa'asavalu
Hargreaves

Wellens vs Webb
Gardner Vs Hall
Gidley vs Senior
Soliola vs delaney
Meli vs Donald
Eastmond vs burrow
Price vs mcguire
Graham vs peacock
Moore vs buderus
NEW PROP (Bailey) vs Leuluai
Flannery vs Abblett
Puletua vs JJB
Wilkin vs Sinfield

Roby vs diskin
Clough vs Lautiti
Fa'asavalu vs Eastwood
Hargreaves vs kirke

which is stronger?

eastwood is mainly a prop now from what i heard.

Then as a prop i'd take maurie.

Ali is in a different class to clough, in pace power and skill. Eastwood again is in a totally different class to maurie!!

Eastwood is a secondrower/lock by trade! But has played at centre and stand off for the broncos due to his ball playing skills and he is also quick for a big fella!! But due to his size and power he has been used as a ball playing prop by the buldogs this season when hannett has been injured!!

3 games bad 1 game good. I think that he would actually be better running out wide at some smaller men. He has struggled to be consistent this season running down the middle.

So I have not binned him, I just wouldnt have him in my first 17 and when he does come in, i would have him as a second rower. Kind of a Freddie Tuilagi mark 2.

I agree the bench looks average but i am sure more young players would come through as the season progressed to strengthen it.



Why play a past it full back in the second row. We have much better second rowers than Wellens. You either have to play him at full back and accept that he isn't going to be great or you have to bin him. I have chosen the later.

Quote ="sgtwilko"Ali is in a different class to clough, in pace power and skill. Eastwood again is in a totally different class to maurie!!'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 oh yes he is a few classes below

Quote ="sgtwilko"Ali is in a different class to clough, in pace power and skill. Eastwood again is in a totally different class to maurie!!'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 oh yes he is a few classes below

Come on Simon you must do better!! The stats never tell the full story!! Ali has played less games and about half the game time!! Ali has been a match winner at club level in the nrl and sl and at international level, Ali is regarded as on of the most magical ball playing forwards in the world!! When has clough ever produced the individual try scoring ability that Ali has? Where was clough whilst Ali was winning the 07 gf!! Agreed clough has a big future in the game but compared to Ali he has a long long way to go! Clough has to prove a lot at many levels before he can been seen in the same class as Ali

Because thats the main thing you want from a forward, and cloughy was in our academy in 2007!
For a experienced prop who is a full 2 stone heavier than cloughy and 2" taller you would expect him to make more metres, not over 1000 less in only 3 games less!
As i said i'm happy with cloughy and i imagine you're happy with Ali, so everyone's happy!

I can understand the argument, about wanting somebody with more pace at fullback. However why do people blindly think that Wellens will be better at second row, than any of our other second rowers? I think he would be okay in the forwards, but I don't see him being first choice there, and he wouldn't make the bench.

Lauititi is a far better ball handling forward than Clough is, but Clough makes far more hard yards. In some respects (and this is off me not watching him every week) I don't think Lauititi likes the hard work needed at prop and was far more effective runnning wide in the second row.

I fully agree with you with your last few sentences, Clough has a lot of improving to do before he can be classed in the same league as Lauititi, hopefully for Saints and for Englands sake he can make that progression.

I think it's more a case of keeping him in the team for his experience, yet taking him out of the position that is now exposing his weaknesses almost week in week out.

Of all the positions in the team, the back row is probably more suited to him than any other.

Ali is a not prop ans has always been a second rower! May I suggest that the Leeds pack shared the work out and didn't expect Ali to do that work!Ali is a ball playing attacking backrower. Due to your injuries in the front row clough has had to get through that much work!!

About 07?? That was my point!! Ali has been winning the biggest of games whilst clough was a kid and Ali is still young!! I realise you like clough but it's more than that !! It's not a preference thing it's like comparing a golf and a range rover!! Clough whilist Been a good young kid has so much to prove on every level to be compared to a player of Ali's all round qualities

come back when clough has cut it in the sl, nrl and international level!!

Lautiti is one of the most overated forwards around. He is remembered on the basis of a good year with NZ Warriors as opposed to running into tackles with his handbrake on.

I would rather keep him at full back were he does a good job, rather than second row were he will be completely ineffective.

His lack of pace is a weakness, but he is 29 I doubt he is any slower than he was. We would be better bringing in some faster threequarters to cover for the general lack of pace in the squad.

Common sense, not least the non sequiter of paying Wellens a sizeable proportion of the salary cap to play as a backrower where as you rightly say, he would be useless.

It is as bigger no brainer as St. Craig's blu sky thinking that had Sean Long as a centre.

what a foolish post!!icon_lol.gif I don't really need to get into this as it appears you are cluless or a poor troll!! I look forward to Ali coming up with a match winning play against you as he has done against you time and time again like in the gf 07 or the play offs in 05!!

Quote ="sgtwilko"Ali is a not prop ans has always been a second rower! May I suggest that the Leeds pack shared the work out and didn't expect Ali to do that work!Ali is a ball playing attacking backrower. Due to your injuries in the front row clough has had to get through that much work!! About 07?? That was my point!! Ali has been winning the biggest of games whilst clough was a kid and Ali is still young!! I realise you like clough but it's more than that !! It's not a preference thing it's like comparing a golf and a range rover!! Clough whilist Been a good young kid has so much to prove on every level to be compared to a player of Ali's all round qualities come back when clough has cut it in the sl, nrl and international level!!'" He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali!

Quote ="sgtwilko"Ali is a not prop ans has always been a second rower! May I suggest that the Leeds pack shared the work out and didn't expect Ali to do that work!Ali is a ball playing attacking backrower. Due to your injuries in the front row clough has had to get through that much work!! About 07?? That was my point!! Ali has been winning the biggest of games whilst clough was a kid and Ali is still young!! I realise you like clough but it's more than that !! It's not a preference thing it's like comparing a golf and a range rover!! Clough whilist Been a good young kid has so much to prove on every level to be compared to a player of Ali's all round qualities come back when clough has cut it in the sl, nrl and international level!!'" He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali!

Quote ="Saint Simon"He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali! '" You can't really compare them even with that. Ali is on the pitch far less than TP. If you base it on metres made he has had 80 odd more carries.

Quote ="Saint Simon"He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali! '" You can't really compare them even with that. Ali is on the pitch far less than TP. If you base it on metres made he has had 80 odd more carries.

Quote ="Saint Simon"He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali! '" you seem obsessed with stats!! Stats don't tell the true story!! Ali has had a good season and is getting better!! What I've seen of pelutua has been good but alot of your fans seem to think he is running out of gas?? One thing the stats do tell me is when I look at graham, clough and pelutua is that your pack has been flogged this season!! The Leeds pack is looking pretty fresh for the back end of the season

Quote ="Saint Simon"He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali! '" you seem obsessed with stats!! Stats don't tell the true story!! Ali has had a good season and is getting better!! What I've seen of pelutua has been good but alot of your fans seem to think he is running out of gas?? One thing the stats do tell me is when I look at graham, clough and pelutua is that your pack has been flogged this season!! The Leeds pack is looking pretty fresh for the back end of the season

Quote ="Saint Simon"He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali! '" Hasn't Puletua played a lot a prop for you? This would explain the extra metres. Otherwise, Ali has made more off-loads, while Puletua has made more breaks. TP would probably edge it but I'm happy with the X-factor that Lauitiiti brings to Leeds, particularly in matches against Saints. That said I seem to remember Ali's stats for a number of games this year being a bit disappointing. Unfortunately Leeds rely far too much on Peacock to make the hard yards.

Quote ="Saint Simon"He's 30! not that young (but younger than me ) If you want to compare like for like a better comparison would be Puletua v Ali both are about the same size, age and are 2nd rowers www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Its not looking good for Ali! '" Hasn't Puletua played a lot a prop for you? This would explain the extra metres. Otherwise, Ali has made more off-loads, while Puletua has made more breaks. TP would probably edge it but I'm happy with the X-factor that Lauitiiti brings to Leeds, particularly in matches against Saints. That said I seem to remember Ali's stats for a number of games this year being a bit disappointing. Unfortunately Leeds rely far too much on Peacock to make the hard yards.