I've never been convinced by Froddy at all when he has played for us, maybe i am being harsh, but i cant see him ever being an integral part of the pack.

I get the same feeling. Only seen the kid get smashed and injured. Still young of course and plenty time on his side, lets see if he blossoms blooms and bangs.

Alot of people thought that about Mason whilst he was here in fairness and though slightly differently alot of people do about Bryn, sorry Brian, but he's turning up every week and putting the effort in which is what we need during this difficult period.

At Frodsham's age he has alot of developing ahead playing wise as well as physically bulking up to first team size, we just need to bare with him for a short while to see how he goes with a run of games.

Bryn is a tryer, but he offers nothing whatsoever to take the work load of Jammer's shoulders, and that is part of the problem.

imo bryn has if anything gone backwards this season, which is disapointing, he is slightly bigger than cloughy but offers nothing like his go forward and cloughy isnt a prop!

Bryn Hargreaves is a fine player. We could do with two more of him. Cheap and sticks a good 8 metres on each time he gets the ball, decent 'd' too.

I'd chip in to see Cole's toe.

He was IMMENSE on Sunday. Made excellent yardage.

I too thought he performed well during his spells. In fact it seems the forwards all performed well head to head against their HG counterparts, but i thought it was when our backs took the ball up early in the tackle count that we struggled to make good yardage.

Hargreaves is our weakest prop by some distance. You only need to look at his stats to understand that. He makes the least number of yards per carry out of all our props, and is right at/near the bottom of carries (excluding Cayless).

Bryn Hargreaves 7.0m per 214 carries.
James Graham 7.2m per 562 carries.
Marue 8.15m per 250 carries
Tony P 8.76m per 307 carries.

Tony P's figures are unreliable as he switches to second row where there are easier yards.

Bryn is an excellent fifth prop, but is nowhere near being a fourth. If he starts next season as the latter we'll need a LOT of luck with injuries to be successful.

i dont know how long he was on for but he got a full 53 mtr from 7 whole carries( 7.5 m/carry) Thats not immense, its pants

How did Jammer do?

blood to water, as ever

Forwards stats for sunday
graham 161mtrs ,26 carries, 22 tackles
Tony P 131mtrs ,18 carries, 22 tackles
Bryn 53mtrs, 7 carries, 16 tackles
Cloughy 75 mtrs, 9 carries, 21 tackles

Hudds
Mason 143 mtrs, 18 carries, 17 tackles
griffin 42 mtrs, 9 carries, 10 tackles
Crabtree 72 mtrs, 11 carries, 27 tackles
Jackson 82 mtrs, 11 carries, 27 tackles

Keith Mason is impressive isn't he. Turned into a very good player so he has.

Yeah fair play to him. Still gives away lots of penalties though, which was one of the things that frustrated me most about him at Saints.

thats true of most of hudds players though and it hasn't done them much harm

Mason has always had the physical attributes to succeed. He's a pretty big guy and has that stocky barrel physique (along the lines of Clough, or even Webcke, who I used to think he was a dead ringer for) with a low centre of gravity, which means his point of first contact (the chest) is below the height that defenders are most comfortable hitting. Webcke exploited the advantage to the full by hitting this point and then driving up and [ithrough[/i - effectively impaling the tackler on his shoulder and lifting him off his feet. Of course, Webcke could do this because he had tremendous leg strength (similar to Cunningham's). Mason does not. Webcke also had a brain. Mason does not.

I don't like bagging our players, but that isn't good enough for a first team Prop.

Let's not p*ss about, it's f*cking s*ite.

how long was he on the pitch for? dont really remember seeing him so can't have been long

i feel the same mate, i want to support all our players, but bryn has gone backwards this year

Mugy me old chump Mason is 100k plus, Bryn int and just for the record he is streets ahead of you frontrowers,yes even Mr surrender himself.

As verbose as ever...

The worst thing in the world are stats, why, coz from 161 mtrs, for 26 carries you get 6.1 m/carry.... go bag someone else or check the stats better would be my advice

Mr Surrender?