Loads of activity this morning on the UGB site,the rear gate has been cleared of the pile of earth that was put there to keep the travellers out, scrub and rubbish is being cleared by another JCB,and another machine, well into the site almost central, looks like a small drilling machine is also on there.
Its Birse who are doing the work.

Sexy

Drilling machine? Was it a piling rig?

A drilling machine sounds like it could poss be a piling rig.

www.birsecl.co.uk/html/company-n ... tentID=289

www.birsecl.co.uk/html/company-n ... tentID=289

Hmm, so they are around 2 months behind schedule for this project then.

Seemed to be progressing well when I popped down there earlier...

According to the St Helens Reporter, A Judicial planning review lasting 12 weeks has been given as the reason why the club has not held the fans forums.
The forums were put back because the review period does not end till the 15th of March, the club does not expect any problems with the findings of the review.

I've defended the board over the stadium info levels, but a statement to that effect in the local press in Jan wouldn't have been much to ask

You are not realistic at all. It is patently obvious, you have no knowledge of the tendering, pre-contract and final agreement of these things. This is further complicated, by the multiple client's with varied requirements and funding mechanisms.

It could also be borehole tripod for further SI works.

There is not an actual review on-going. If there was you would / could have serious problems.

It is actually the period (3 months) where-upon a third party can raise a challenge to a planning consent under the Civil Procedure Rules part 54. The challenge has to be made against the process used to grant the planning (eg the right parties weren't consulted, etc) and not whether planning should have been granted or not.

Whilst I can understand not starting the works on site whilst the risk remains (although standard practise is for the Client to retain the risk and as Langtree / Saints / the Council got the planning rather than a contractor you would expect this to be the position here and for works to have started) I cannot for the life of me see why this would affect presentations to fans.

I would guess more likely is that final negotiations are on-going with the "preferred" contractor to wring the last bit of fat from the price and to negotiate away any clarifications that might have been part of the tenders submitted.


Are the works Birse have started on required to ve complete prior to commencement of the main building project (for access to the works)?

As for "small drill on-site" very un-likely to be a piling rig as you would have had the installation of a piling mat first. More likely to be ground investigations required to discharge one of the pre-start planning conditions. I would guess you'd be looking at about 3 to 4 weeks for the report to be issued and then another week or two to produce and negotiate/agree the report required by the planners for condition discharge before groundworks can start on-site.

Did I state I was being an expert? my response was to some who felt the work would start March on the ground, which I felt at the earliest would be April, but going by current progress who knows May or June?

Unfortunate you feel the need to take your own "high horse" attitude! LOL - you need a chill pill.

Where did I state you are an expert? You need to take your head out of your .

I heard the 15th of March was when things would kick off, (from a Solicitor) Sadfish looks to have had info similar, now the 15th has been stated in the Reporter, its looking close to take off.

No way any proper building machines will be on that site before April. No way a game will be played before August 1st 2011.

I think it's you that needs to calm down! - I stand by at the time I was being realistic with an April start, but sadly it looks as it will go back even further now!

You need to stop digging

Billinge_Lump,

This is a forum! I will always state my honest opinions. I think you should be saying someone needs to start "digging" quickly, though on the new stadium and Hope that it does not mean more home games being played outside the town.

personally i think he should start digging, it might encourage more to join you and we'll have the stadium up in no time

I don't dispute that, but there's no shame in revising those opinions when someone with more knowledge comes along and provides more information. You thought that April was a realistic time to start, others with more knowledge of the business have stated that it wasn't, accept it and move on.

Oh, and I'm glad someone noticed my repartee

The point is....
why aren't those people with more experience of the building industry advising Saints to stop making overly ambitious estimates of timeline?

Simple fact; timescales get revised in construction about 99% of the time.

On Manchester yesterday Jack Deardon said Tony Colquitt along with the chief execs of Wigan,Warrington and Salford will be on the rugby league show between 6 and 8 on Thursday evening-I dare say the stadium situation will crop up sometime during the programme.

According to a poster on Red-vee it has been said we should be in the new stadium in June 2011. We will play a lot of away games early in the season and any home games we do have to play, we will play at Widnes. I bet that will affect season ticket sales even though some people will want to claim their seats for when the new ground opens.

Did I hear Colquitt say we have to be out of KR by the 1st of January next year, if so that explains the 18 month bridging loan.