Yeah yeah! I've heard this all before! I'm open about the fact mags is my favourit player! one of my little rl anecdotes is when me and the lads were sat with a bloke at the Leeds hudds game away and I was waxing lyrical about how Good mcguire is and how he always comes in for flack from the idiots, my mates were ribbing me about how much I love him the bloke we were sat with was just laughing, we had a bit of a chat and he was a nice fella! Turned out it was dannys dad!





mcguire has proved himself at every level! a bad game or a dip in form doesn't stop him been a great player! As much as you lot wish it would it doesn't

I know people need a hate figure as sinfield has shut the idiots up for at least a week until he doesnt sh*t a miracle against the kiwis and then you lot can go back to the constant rant about how he's not good enough!

the motivation for these rants is all too clear and perfectly pointed out by G1 on the Leeds board

Danny is poor at International level, why ? Because we simly dont make the braeks that Leeds do at Super league level.

Danny is and always will be a support player, he hasent got a good passing or kicking game.

Check the stats,you'll find you way wide of the mark but don't let that get in the way of a good old rant eh????

nice to see a leeds player getting slated, last year wello was crucified after the aus tour. danny was s---e end of story.

Playing the role he played on Saturday he simply isn't good enough. He isn't a creative half back, he isn't an organiser or a primary kicker. Him and Tomkins together = disaster. One of them has to go and based on Saturday that means McGuire shouldn't play, no matter how much you love him.

Stats might tell you that he does pass and kick it. They don't tell you whether or not they are effectual.

For years, Danny McGuire has been the single most over rated player in the game. He offers little in the way of creativity and gets virtually all of his good press by hanging about on the shoulders of other players and sniffing out tries.

Danny McGuire has been fortunate enough to play in one of the best teams of the modern era. Had he played for a lesser side such as Wigan or Warrington, he would have sunk without trace long ago.

how he got included and burrow didn't is a mystery to me.
thank god england have decent 6 in tompkins as pryce and mcguire arent good enough imo

For a while a lot of Saints fans hated Sinfield, and I'll never know why. He may be a cantankerous, gobby at times, but he is a traditional 13 in the mould of Pinner - tough, good vision and hard working.

And then there is Danny Sidewards... Oh dear. If ever there was an overated player.

The turnstille offers little organisation and little incision. He is a genuinely nippy half back, but is zero at the highest level.

Biased Saints fans spent an age defending Leon's no-show in last years WC. It seems there are a few Leeds fans out to defend Danny Sideways...

You have posted this elsewhere....its opinion you keep trotting out to support McGuire. He is not and never will be a stand off....again, opinion I am trotting out.....

Quote ="D.D."Stats might tell you that he does pass and kick it. They don't tell you whether or not they are effectual.'" Try assists do. Danny McGuire has more than any other Leeds player this season. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 09&hp2=216

Quote ="D.D."Stats might tell you that he does pass and kick it. They don't tell you whether or not they are effectual.'" Try assists do. Danny McGuire has more than any other Leeds player this season. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 09&hp2=216

In some ways I'm going to defend McGuire.

The England pack were poor early on, Peacock, Morley and Roby(with ball in hand) in particular.

It was only when Burgess and Crabtree came on that we started to go forward.

It's almost impossible for the halfbacks to perform when the pack is poor.

However, McGuire defensively was poor and looking at his stats in todays League Express 8 tackles made 5 tackles missed and 3 handling errors is poor by any standard, particularly when Lee Smith also missed 5 tackles and concede two penalties.

I actually felt sorry for Tom Briscoe as he was the sacrificial lamb.

Again I question Smiths selection, that starting pack was the same that got battered in Melbourne, and conceded the majority of the tries down our right hand side.

We badly needed a quick defensive second rower to shore up that side. The selection of Peacock in the second row was wrong, and contributed to McGuire and Smiths poor performances.

That shows how much you actually know about Danny McGuire - not much.

Truth is, McGuire was awful against Australia, and I was embarrassed about how ineffective he was.

This 'only a support player' thing is about five years old now...

I said pretty much the same thing. Smith was silly with the pack selection - it just encouraged the Kangaroos to put more air on the ball. The pack was sliding left, right and centre, esp. as the backs groped at more or less every tackle in the first half.

There is a need for mobility in the pack - look at Watmough - not the biggest, but a real worker who runs good lines and tackles everything.

The closest to this type of player is Wilkin, but he's not everyones cup of tea.

What a load of bollox!!
He's been as integral and influential in our success as any player in our squad other than sinfield.
What the stats tell you are he scores tries as well as creates them and in terms of over-rated












He was dire on saturday but so were others but don't let that get in the way of a rant full of bile.

I know he's a Wigan player so it may not go down well with some on here but we really needed someone like O'Loughlin to do that job.

There was no one as bad as Mcguire at the weekend. No one. He was so far out of his depth, I genuinely felt sorry for him. Look, we all know of his vast limitations, so why oh why, Smith put him in such a pivital role, god only knows.

O'Loughlin has been showed up well for England, so yes, I'd be more than inclined ot agree with you.

They play for the Superleague Champions of 2007, 2008, & 2009 - remind me of who you support dipstick

The Saints players were really outstanding ????

Pathetic post really - you need to get a life & understand that you have had your glory as a team & other clubs will pass you lot by - Bulls to be higher than your lot in 2010 ??

A better team than you numbnuts.

Bless you also my son - let me know which of the Saints players have merited selection

FFS it really pathetic on this forum

Sour grapes or what



PS I actually agree with Eastmond - great player BUT which others ? Is Wilkin still posing for photos ????

It was at Wigan not St Helens

Danny "sidewards - the same player who can handle the Superleague trophy while you lot watch - unless you have gone running to your cars for a quick exit from the finals

I think i posted similar on the VT on the day we badly miss him from the forwards on a day like Saturday while he doesn't always shine in attack he never lets anyone down in defence. Had he started SR instead of Peacock our RHS wouldn't have been half as exposed to Inglis. McGuire and Smith looked like lost children at times but Peacock taking 10 seconds to slide across badly affected them defensively - this was to me the coaches fault putting square pegs in round holes.

Ultimately i don't think we will compete with either Aus or the Kiwis until we get our line speed sorted - time & again they were on the front foot because we didn't get in their faces Lockyer & Thurston had an age before they kicked there was no kick pressure, our forwards are as good if not better than theirs but beacuse they get up and at us when they tackle we are stifled & kicks are invariably rushed, plop and straight into Slater's arms

Back O/T Leeds fans defending McGuire is the complete mirror image of Saints fans defending Pryce last year, stats can show positive things about any player - try assists are the last pass, doesn't mean they have made the break, threw a wonder ball or done any hard work but it makes a good stat.

He was plop on Saturday, he wasn't the only one & he wasn't helped by the lack of go forward but he certainly didn't help himself with some decisions, for the experienced head in our backs he was badly exposed.

He has been somewhat over hyped in his career but mainly by Eddie & Stevo to be fair to Leeds fans, he isn't just the support monkey he was when he started but he is by no means the complete SO either, he doesn't look cut out to be a leader & organiser at international level which is what his role was on Saturday.

If he is to play on Saturday he would be far better going back to his support roll and playing on the shoulder as we sorely miss that at this level.

NAME the team dipstick

Ps PROVE it by results !!!!

By the way, I support the Super Bulls, but can give credit where it is due.

Stop making a fool of

of yourself matey