It was dour, but again we just have to put up with that for this season. We are stuck with Royce's (or Rush's) style of play until Nathan comes in. I'm personally happy to accept playing badly and finishing in a respectable position for now, given that this has been our worst season for some time.

Nah not having that.
You dont have to be the best to play entertaining rugby. You need a coach that wants to play it and that can coach It. We have players In that team to play the game the way It should be played,not like last nights depressing offering.
I might add that last night wasnt a one off either.

It looks like you wont be getting both of your wishes for next week - if Wakefield are still in with a shout of the top 8 after this weeks games - then they play Salford next friday - and they will be on TV and not Wigan v Saints.
Straight choice pay to see your team or support another......

Better practice your chants "Wakey, Wakey, Wakey"

Which we don't have unfortunately, because our previous coach had to be sacked when we were in freefall and we have two rookies at the helm as a result. Incidentally, two rookies that look like steering us to a table finish that was utterly unrealistic when they took over and doing so without a proper half back.



Whilst I agree entirely that we are not serving up entertaining stuff, there have been many, many years and teams that haven't shown anything like the commitment this lot show. They are not playing well, we don't have an all star squad, but what we do have is players who are committed to the team and will give their all to try to get us to OT (again) against the odds.

Until the effort falls away, I will support them 100%. Effort and pride in the shirt will outweigh a lack of champagne rugby because I can see the reasons why it isn't there (both in terms of personnel in key positions and inexeprienced coaching staff) and I've seen plenty of Saints teams in the past who rank waaaaaaaaay below this group in terms of heart.

I went to last night's game completely down on RL, knowing it would be dreadful.

My tweet before the game "I almost forget Saints are playing these days when it comes to most Friday nights. Hope it's a decent game tonight but doubt it."

My tweet after the game "I didn't think Saints could be more horrendous to watch...And then I saw that tonight! Awful game and London were worse."

I am completely bored watching Saints and alot of other RL games this year. I've had a season ticket since 1996 and been going since 1993 and I've never been as bored as this season. Last season was also pretty dreadful and I'm hoping next year with a better coach we'll get ourselves organised and throw some more caution to the wind playing some good rugby. On paper, 30-0 is a great result but having been there to see it I got no enjoyment out of it. All our tries were barge over tries within their 10 or 20m line and London offered nothing! The most exciting moment for me was Meli throwing a dummy to himself. At least at the Cas game last time the two young kids Makinson and Swift showed some excitement with their length of the field efforts (a try and no try). Did Makinson even get a pass last night? What we churn out is dreadful and I see us making no impact in the Play Offs especially with the ball in hand.

In previous years we've always had a character in the team (or coaching staff) to excite us either with their personality or their style of play - James Graham, Paul Sculthorpe, Sean Long, Jamie Lyon, Ian Millward, Bobbie Goulding, Tommy Martyn, Paul Newlove etc etc. In this current team I don't see one player that genuinely excites me. Our team is full of grafters but no real excitement. I was always brought up on a Saints team, whilst not necessarily being the best, were always the ones who threw the ball about and lit up the league with entertaining rugby. Up until the last few years, we were exactly that, but especially the last 2 seasons, we've been awful to watch.

Whilst it's not the worst season in terms of results it's definitely the most boring I've seen and I know Warrington fans who feel the same about the league campaign itself.

Rush at the start of his tenure talked about playing the Saints way,then played safety first stuff.
Effort and commitment for me Is a given. Champagne rugby,Ill settle for mildly entertaining. I really would.
Weve defended well against teams that attack like we do,next week might be a different matter.
If I remember,the last time we played em there were screams on here and RedVee about the distinct lack of commitment and pride In the shirt.

The voice of reason. We've done a great job considering our situation after 8 games of the season. We're realistically in no worse a position for the playoffs than we were last season and although O/T is unlikely it's still not beyond the bounds of reason which is an achievement in itself. I've said for years that most Saints fans who scream from the rafters about our "lack of ambition" and acceptance of sub-standard are in desperate need of a few [ireally[/i bad seasons to reset their ridiculously high and unrealistic expectations. The problem is that only us old 'uns can remember what it's like to support an [iactually[/i bad Saints team back in the '80s - most on here have only ever known trophies and success and take a trophy a season as their birthright that doesn't need to be earnt and should just happen by default. We're way behind the curve as far as the W's are concerned but that's just the way it has to be sometimes in a salary-capped sport with limited talent, especially when you've just built a spanky new stadium. And we are tedious and awful to watch at the minute but it's winning us games and I will continue to support my team regardless and am grateful that things could very very easily be much, much worse.

We really do seem to be stuck in some form of "neutral zone" at the moment playing basic safety first rugby which has worked against most teams with the exception of Wigan and Warrington.
My main concern is carrying this mindset over into the next season, its not Saints natural way of playing rugby.
The other concern is the development and utilisation of Makinson and Lomax and perhaps we should include Gaskell as well, they have stagnated and looked to have better potentional from last years viewpoint than this year.
We really do need a big change mentally and physically next season, I would be very suprised if we reach a grand final this year with our standard of play.

I've watched saints from the age of 6 and I'm now 32 but I was totally bored last night. It was one of the worst I've ever seen and ended up not even paying attention to the game.

It don't matter how much or how little you've watched saints, nobody can deny that was total rubbish last week.

I was very impressed with the London winger (Dixon?)

Me too, far more than the big lump Omari Caro on the other wing who it has been rumoured Saints have been after.
Would be typical of the modern day Saints to go for the big crap lad on the wing rather than the fast elusive type

Dixon has scored 14 trys for Broncos this season. So has a better strike rate than Makinson, despite being in a cellar dwellar team. Looks a better player as well.
Only turned 20 this month.
Got 41 tackle busts and 10 clean breaks to his name and made 2251 metres.
Weak points are errors with 26 and 28 missed tackles

Makinson for comparison is 21 years old, scored 10 tries, 25 tackle busts and 9 clean breaks and made 1585 metres
Defensively has 20 errors and 18 missed tackles.

When you consider that Makinson will not have been put under as much pressure defensively as Dixon due to London being rubbish then the error count and missed tackle count stand up quite well.

Dixon is definitely one to watch in the years ahead.

I have heard Omari Caro is signing for HKR. It was he who won the fastest man competition recently at Headingley. I saw him play recently in London V Wigan U20's and he was really quick, scoring two superb long range tries, but he was very raw, particularly defensively.

I do like the looks of Dixon and Dan Sarginson from the Broncos, both look very exciting players.

I did like the look of Sarginson earlier this season, has a great step and turn of pace. But he was very quiet last night and has been in most games recently. Was a bit disappointed in him.

Dixon was a real livewire.

We have never met and therefore you haven't a clue what I am like so your comment is silly, frankly.


Long term fans do leave the game you know. I know of two who have done. A relative is one of them. So again that is a silly comment.

As ever, people reinvent what I say. I have simply said that Saints are boring to watch. Who said anything about losing interest? I've continued to pay my season ticket, and have just renewed it, in spite of spending a lot of time unemployed this season. I'm fully aware that teams have their ups and downs and this season is a down for Saints but it comes as no surprise because - if you remember - I didn't think it was a good idea to put Rush and KC in charge in the first place. So nothing that has happened this season has been a surprise to me.

I started out concerned about Nathan Brown's appointment, given his tendency to want to go home and Huddersfield's tendency to slumps, but now I can't wait for him to do something with what is a better team than we are seeing under the present coaching set up even if it isn't a team of world beaters. Not least I want to see our young players back to something resembling the form they were in last season.

Saints are boring me rigid. But that is just this season. Hopefully next season they will play better because hopefully they will be coached better.

I thought that last night was his first game back in a while having been out injured?

Sarginson has had a pretty bad injury so if he has been poor he can be forgiven for it.

Didn't see the game so can't comment. I do share the pessimism regarding the playoffs though unfortunately.

Quote ="JonB95"I did like the look of Sarginson earlier this season, has a great step and turn of pace. But he was very quiet last night and has been in most games recently. Was a bit disappointed in him. Dixon was a real livewire.'" Sarginson has been out injured for quite a while. Did he play last night? www.superleague.co.uk/match_report/7623

Quote ="JonB95"I did like the look of Sarginson earlier this season, has a great step and turn of pace. But he was very quiet last night and has been in most games recently. Was a bit disappointed in him. Dixon was a real livewire.'" Sarginson has been out injured for quite a while. Did he play last night? www.superleague.co.uk/match_report/7623

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Sarginson has been out injured for quite a while. Did he play last night? www.superleague.co.uk/match_report/7623'" Sarginson didn't play last night which is maybe why some people thought he had a quiet game!

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Sarginson has been out injured for quite a while. Did he play last night? www.superleague.co.uk/match_report/7623'" Sarginson didn't play last night which is maybe why some people thought he had a quiet game!

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Sarginson has been out injured for quite a while. Did he play last night? www.superleague.co.uk/match_report/7623'" Played scrum half in twentys looked poor

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Sarginson has been out injured for quite a while. Did he play last night? www.superleague.co.uk/match_report/7623'" Played scrum half in twentys looked poor

Goodness, now I feel stupid.. thought Sarginson played cause I saw him warming up! No wonder I thought he had been quiet

You were too busy being happy and enjoying our performance to notice such things.

Enjoying a victory is not a crime you know!!

It epitomises SaintsFan & JonB95 knowledge of rugby.



Or were they not at the game?

It was a shocking game. It made me think of a fat school yard bully sitting on the ginger kid with asthma, wearing glasses. We were just happy to smother them until they gave up. I noticed that with about 20 mins left everyone was talking amongst themselves. We can sometimes be a quite crowd at home but that is usually down to us paying attention to the game rather than just not being interested.

The 80 mins kind of summed up the season. Disappointing and dower with the player and fans completely disinterested. The crowded seemed to cheer everything Wellens did apart from his missed tackles. I was glad when it was over and just wanted to get home as quick as possible.

Hopefully Nathan Brown will have a clear out. It is so disappointing that our first season in our new ground has been the worst in living memory.

A question to some of our older posters. Is this what the 70's were like?

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19396251 Read Mike Rush's comments regarding LMS. No wonder we are so dull to watch.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19396251 Read Mike Rush's comments regarding LMS. No wonder we are so dull to watch.