Mr tinker has got to be trying to get sacked

Soliola doesn't look fit to me, he's been garbage today.

Lets not forget Hudds are probably on a par with wigan at the moment, theyre fitter, faster and stronger than us, a win would have been a dream

O'Brien, Turner, Manu and LMS have gone well so far.

some respectability coming to the score

What does that say for our coaching? All the things you point out can and should be fixed.

cut out the old, cant be bothered players and we'll be alot fitter faster and stronger!

I wouldnt mind us taking O'Brien on a proper transfer. We need quality in the halves and Walsh alone isnt enough.

It's offensive to the players to say that they can't be bothered, I'm not sure how you can question the effort. Application and execution is poor and has been for some time, but you can see by the second half performance that they never give up. They've got Hudds knackered here.

hat was aimed at Mr Perry!

9th place now, 2 on loan players...we're in a pitiful state. How many games do we have to lose before Brown gets the chop? Swapping and changing positions. I wouldn't trust him to coach Blackbrook never mind Saints.

Manu been our best player by a mile

I agree, the only real positive performers for me tonight.

Forwards did well tonight: laid the platform. Offensively we were a joke. Partly Hudds defence but also because of our woeful structure.

Turner needs to go back to centre and just keep it simple with Wilkin and O'Brien in the halves.

Hohaia was a passenger cannot believe we have another two years of him.

Very comprehensive for them tonight. A decent effort in terms of huff and puff, but absolutely no quality to that performance. Bar Manu I can't tihnk of a single player than warrants a mention. We're lame.

Yet another defeat, but look on the brightside,Saints fans.

At least you won the second half 10-7...

O'Brien will be better next week when he has had more than three days to gel with a new team

Did people really think O'brien was good? Had that been ashe tonight he'd get hammered on here.

Another bad start. We can't keep giving teams a start like this.

Brown has ruined you. Has to go at the end of the season, if not before. Is Mike Rush still around?

Not bad tonight after the standard awful start. Have to win the next few games.

Thought O'Brien was pretty poor in attack, but he needs longer with the team.

Yep he was a passenger, but he showed glimpses of a passing game: something that Ashe lacks.

I thought he was average but can't knock him, he only been here a week.

I disagree. He showed glimpses tonight of far far more quality than Ashe showed in his handful of games.

I'd like to see our partnership going forward as O'Brien and Turner. I think both played well and given a chance to work together we could see some good organisational plays coming out of them. O'Brien very comfortable with ball in hand and Turner better than other options coupled with a good running game. I'm not sure Jones is the answer at centre, his passing is far too erratic for me.