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| Quote ="The Doghead"So you knew Birse where involved in the new road layout.'"
You implied it was the latest news. It wasn't. It was old news that we were unaware of.
We are splitting hairs here.
Wahoo for Birse.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Sadfish bare with me on this one but:
The Section 106 Agreement has the following definition with a linked obligation on Langtree:
“Agreement For Lease” means a contractual deed to be entered into by the Owner [[iLangtree Group Plc[/i and the Club [[iSt Helens Rugby Club Limited[/i which shall provide for the Occupation [[ithis is a defined term that means what it says not ownership[/i of the Stadium by the Club within 6 months of it being Practicably Completed to Superleague Standard; in a form approved by the Council”
That doesn’t suggest Saints will own the Stadium.
Clause 10.5 of Schedule 3 of the S106 contains the following provisions:
“…. To allow the Council to be the direct landlord of the Club pursuant to the lease entitling the Club to occupy the Stadium…”
If the Club owns the Stadium why is the Council their Landlord within a lease permitting the Club to occupy the Stadium. You should note the Stadium Land is separately defined and the lease referred to is very much for the facilities not the land. So again why would the Club enter a lease if they own the building?
I understand that you probably think I’m “muck-raking” however I am intrigued why you are so certain you are right yet publicly available, legally binding executed contracts suggest different? Why do you think these provisions have been included within these documents in the manner they have?'"
Thanks for that Paul, very interesting since I can't be ar*ed trawling the docs myself!
Couple of questions (pardon my ignorance):
1) If Langtree are the Owner, why are St Helens Council the Landlord? Are we subtenants with a head lease between Langtree and the Council?
2) Are there any more details re: lease terms (for the lease between the cluyb and the council, or any head lease between the council and Langtree?), specifically term and rental?
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| Quote ="Ski"Latest? That is from October, and discussing the access road.'"
Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.
Considering that we are nearly in February, with not even word on stadium contracts yet, then it looks like things have possibly slipped a bit in the timescale stakes.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.
Considering that we are nearly in February, with not even word on stadium contracts yet, then it looks like things have possibly slipped a bit in the timescale stakes.'"
This comes a surprise, why?
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.'"
No you read that wrong. Its the access roundabout or whatever that Birse are doing that's due to commence January 2010 with completion July =#FF0000[u2010[/u.
Is thias the access that is to beused for the construction of the development? If so then that would be a significent delay to the scheme.
Potentially you could be having the whole 2011 without a home. I know Widnes gets mentioned but Leigh's ground is just a short sprint down the East Lancs and may be an option.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Thanks for that Paul, very interesting since I can't be ar*ed trawling the docs myself!
Couple of questions (pardon my ignorance):
1) If Langtree are the Owner, why are St Helens Council the Landlord? Are we subtenants with a head lease between Langtree and the Council?
2) Are there any more details re: lease terms (for the lease between the cluyb and the council, or any head lease between the council and Langtree?), specifically term and rental?'"
1. The reference to the Council being the Landlord is because that clause is taken from the Performance Bond Langtree have to procure if the Tesco is opened before the Stadium and would apply when Langtree have defaulted and the Council have stepped into Langtree's shoes in relation to building the stadium.
2. No details of the terms of the lease however the S106 Agreement does contains provisions that the lease Langtree enter into with St Helens Rugby Club is subject to the Council's approval.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Interestingly this states stadium construction planned to start in January with completion in July 2011.
Considering that we are nearly in February, with not even word on stadium contracts yet, then it looks like things have possibly slipped a bit in the timescale stakes.'"
I think the junction involved is the island at Mataland/kfc.
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| Mataland? Isn't that near Moldova?
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| Quote ="Harry Pinner"Mataland? Isn't that near Moldova?'"
No its at the bottom of Smithy brew.
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| No, it's a brand new island that will be inserted into the linkway
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"No, it's a brand new island that will be inserted into the linkway'"
that was my understanding too
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"No, it's a brand new island that will be inserted into the linkway'"
my understanding is its the Island at Smithy Brew, read somewhere it was being altered, anyway The Council are paying for this, the link road Island is part of the contract to build Tesco / stadium.
Could be wrong though.
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| I wish someone from the club would post on here, just to clear things up!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I wish someone from the club would post on here, just to clear things up!'"
Things are going well. There are no Wigan tanks on the St Helens Linkway, the infidels will die.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Things are going well. There are no Wigan tanks on the St Helens Linkway, the infidels will die.'"
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Things are going well. There are no Wigan tanks on the St Helens Linkway, the infidels will die.'"
Great camouflage, beware.
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| now pimbletts has gone St.Helens is safe from the invading hordes, just dont mention Blackburns
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"now pimbletts has gone St.Helens is safe from the invading hordes, just dont mention Blackburns'"
meat and tator
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| I assume this company has been set up as they will own or run the stadium:
[urlhttp://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/a161909ad59c16f2bedc63b3506e89dd/compdetails[/url
If the club is going to own the stadium why is this company using the same registered office as Langtree rather than their own? Perhaps Langtree will own the stadium after all.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"I assume this company has been set up as they will own or run the stadium:
[urlhttp://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/a161909ad59c16f2bedc63b3506e89dd/compdetails[/url
If the club is going to own the stadium why is this company using the same registered office as Langtree rather than their own? Perhaps Langtree will own the stadium after all.'"
because the stadium isnt built yet so it doesnt have an address! Langtree will not own the stadium no matter how much you want that to happen little troll
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"I assume this company has been set up as they will own or run the stadium:
[urlhttp://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/a161909ad59c16f2bedc63b3506e89dd/compdetails[/url
If the club is going to own the stadium why is this company using the same registered office as Langtree rather than their own? Perhaps Langtree will own the stadium after all.'"
Nice try with the blank search page!
How about the name of the company matey?
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| Quote ="saint at wire"Nice try with the blank search page!
How about the name of the company matey?
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Aye sorry about that I didn't check. The company's name is St Helens Stadium Ltd.
Although no problems as Saint Simon has confirmed that it's the club just borrowing Langtree's registered address until the stadium is built because that makes loads of sense rather than using the club's own registered address. Or perhaps Langtree are going to own the stadium and lease it back to the club as I have said all along.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Aye sorry about that I didn't check. The company's name is St Helens Stadium Ltd.
Although no problems as Saint Simon has confirmed that it's the club just borrowing Langtree's registered address until the stadium is built because that makes loads of sense rather than using the club's own registered address. Or perhaps Langtree are going to own the stadium and lease it back to the club as I have said all along.'"
or because the club have already stated that they will have to vacate KR before the stadium is ready, so there will be a period when KR doesnt exist and the new stadium isnt finshed yet. So it does make sense to base it at the developers as they will be dealing with all the legals anyway so might as well have them posted to their address. Happy little troll?
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