But those "second rate" players have been "good enough" to beat Saints this season.

Let's see how the table looks in September. Bradford have been unlucky with injuries to their main playmakers this season.

Every dog has its day.

They have also been bad enough to lose to Celtic this season.

woof woof.

I really beleive Bradford are in trouble. I dont think their form is a blip, and i think they will finish outside the 8. I do expect yourselves and Warrington to get back in, possibly to the expense of wakey and cas.

Deacon is rubbish but tadulala is a good winger.

He good under the high ball and strong as hell

Yeah, but the effort it took means that you've both lost 2 out of the next 3 (ironically both beating Wakey the game after).

We've seen other teams put that much effort into playing us that they're poor for a month afterwards (usually Wire).

You need to hope that your lot have stopped doing that lap of honour after winning a derby at last

Well, if you are using Celtic as your yardstick then we are not much better than Bradford since we could only score one lonely try against them. I think that's the fewest number of points any SL team has scored against them this season isn't it?

I don't underestimate Celtic, though they have had too many injuries to be as much of a threat as they could have been and indeed promised to be from that opening match against Leeds.

But were top of the table, and not in Bradford's position. Rogues used us as an example by saying they beat us so there players can't be 2nd rate. They also lost to Celtic who hadn't won a game until they faced Bradford, which proves (in his logic) the majority of there players are 2nd rate.

You can't judge a team on one or two games, is what i am trying to say. Saints might have struggled to beat them by only four points, but were also top of the league.

Noble left. Plan A became no good once the big men left. No plan B. Stevie Mac signed. The board got stuffed for money becuase of ietyn "Greedy" Harris.

BOOM, its amazing they still get people through the gate to watch them, I presume its free tickets as surley nobody would pay to watch that team of tramps. I feel sorry for Sam Burgess.

Fake controversy ala Stevo at his best!

Tadulala is a very good winger, based on work-rate one of the best in SL.

We not spending full cap, hence we had money for bird which didnt come off, he wouldnt have been cheap.
From last seasons squad we lost evans, hape, feather, harris, finnigan and vagana... a fair wad of cap with harris and hape alone..we`ve added an improved contract for burgess..as well as adding menzies, scruton, worrincy and sherriffe... not a prayer are we spending cap.

Menzies and burgess were meant to go second row with lynch and scruton props and morrison loose..a very good pack.. but with injuries to deacon and nero menzies hasnt played second row..morrison injured for big part so no loose..lynch was injured so burgess had to go prop..godwin injured so no back up for newton..injuries has wrecked us this season..fat feka didnt help by squashing godwin..leeds never seem to get major injuries all at one time..our second rate players have had to play due to injuries, we didnt buy them to play week in week out, we had no choice.

Getting slow in your old age Rogues? You're two pages late!

A couple of seasons ago we signed:

David Solomona (Certainly not average)

Michael Platt



At the time he looked a good signing, scoring a hat-tick on his debut: I'd say a good signing turned into an average player.

Glenn Morrison (Not Average)

Tame Tupou-Mid Season- At the time of signing he was the top try scorer for Broncos the previous season (Not Average)

Chris Feather-Borderline

You may have been thinking of 3 years ago:

Marcus Bai
Chris McKenna
Stanley Gene
Adam Watene - R.I.P

As we are talking about the bulls situation we all seem to agree that they didn't replace past players with good players for what ever the reason.

We are now getting into there most important phase since super league started.

We may have the whole spine of our great team gone either this year or next.

How these player are replaced with either youth or players brought in could keep us on top or send us to bradfords level.

Potter got 1 hell of a job trying to replace the likes of long, KC, gidley, gilmour, JC and few others over the next to years.

So you think the youngsters breaking through (Halley, Kopczak, Cook, James, Crookes) are all poor aswell?

And if newton is "Poor", what does that say for a lot of other Hookers in the league? They are worse than poor?

An I hope you continue to call Michael Worrincy poor, In a few years you'll feel like a complete fool.

Check out the league table.

I don't need to, I know our current position, what relevance does that have to the point i'm making? I'm saying that the rest of the team aren't poor, some are, certainly, but we are currently under-performing anyway.

Why are you underperforming?

In my opinion, it's either lack of motivation, which is down to the coach, or, the players have it in for Stevie Mac and want him out.

So we wont count Buderus and Webb then?
Leeds have also lost the services of Lauititi, Burrow, Donald, Bailey, and Smith for several games throughout this season.
Just live with it your squad aint that good in depth and your fans are sh*te

You forgot the bit about your dad being bigger than mine. (By the way. Didn't we Leeds as well).
Our problem is that Macca was given the objective of beating top 4 teams this year. We've currently beaten two and drawn with another. Unfortnately it was assumed that he'd beat the others as well. Currently we have taken 5 points off the top 3 and 4 points of the other 10. Doh

Buderus and webb are 2 players u lost for about a month, their injuries were picked up end of last season so had a full off season to recover, smith, burrow etc havent had major injuries, one had an insect bite ffs..ooh i been bit by an ant..better have a month off then..hardly broken leg, broken wrists, cruciate ligaments, shoulder reconstructions etc.