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| I can imagine that Saints will try and deflect from it as much as possible and then complete it once the season is over.
I think I read that the roof damage set the project back?
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| Quote ="St pete"It's a sneaky little tactic by saints but it's typical of saints. When the next rain comes it will all blow up again.
I think saints just hope it will never rain when we are at home.'"
Why not be upfront and say we are leaving it until the end of the season? there is no guarantee what the summer will bring weather wise! this maybe our summer now. Could it be the cost? and they wish to spread what funds are available currently?
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| Maybe we're doing a Bradford and can't afford cladding?
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| I hadn't taken a stroll as far as the North stand from the South on match days until last week and was disappointed that I could get no further than the far end of the West stand. Didn't realise they had gates in place, thought it might just be because it was a full house, but the steward told me they had always been in place.
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| Quote ="exileinpietown"I hadn't taken a stroll as far as the North stand from the South on match days until last week and was disappointed that I could get no further than the far end of the West stand. Didn't realise they had gates in place, thought it might just be because it was a full house, but the steward told me they had always been in place.'"
No, they weren't there until after the Salford game. Loads of people moved stands during the game so they decided they needed to put the gates up.
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| Surely thats pre judging the North stand. What's to prevent the South stand population migrating to the West stand? And before you say it I'm not suggesting further restriction of movement.
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| People tried to get into the North Stand in the early games (rather than the other way round) so I presume that's why it's blocked off. I did think all stands had been gated.
In regard to the cladding, maybe it isn't a priority issue at the moment? Maybe the only people moaning about it to the club are about 20 people on here and Redvee? Plenty people got wet at KR, and continue to get wet at many other grounds.
They could sell those rain macs that you get at American theme parks, make a bit of cash whilst they're at it?
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| Even if the cladding is sorted I fear that if you get really wet and windy weather then the first ten rows or so will get wet as witnessed in the first open night on 9th December. Unavoidable unfortunately and seems to happen at most modern stadia.
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| Quote ="exileinpietown"Even if the cladding is sorted I fear that if you get really wet and windy weather then the first ten rows or so will get wet as witnessed in the first open night on 9th December. Unavoidable unfortunately and seems to happen at most modern stadia.'"
That happened at Knowsley Road too. It's called having no roof over the pitch!
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| Quote ="exileinpietown"Even if the cladding is sorted I fear that if you get really wet and windy weather then the first ten rows or so will get wet as witnessed in the first open night on 9th December. Unavoidable unfortunately and seems to happen at most modern stadia.'"
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| Quote ="exileinpietown"Even if the cladding is sorted I fear that if you get really wet and windy weather then the first ten rows or so will get wet as witnessed in the first open night on 9th December. Unavoidable unfortunately and seems to happen at most modern stadia.'"
Please don't give them an excuse for not doing the cladding! as it looks like a half finished stadium when you see it on TV.
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| It could be the club are waiting till May to do the cladding when I think we don't have a home fixture for four weeks.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Please don't give them an excuse for not doing the cladding! as it looks like a half finished stadium when you see it on TV.'"
Not to me it doesn't. It looks like an individual design rather than an off the shelf 4 individual stands job.
Anyway, the cladding will only be 50% cladding, so you'll still see through it.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Please don't give them an excuse for not doing the cladding! as it looks like a half finished stadium when you see it on TV.'"
This is what the original plans showed though.
Saints haven't hidden anything just that it wasn't obvious to us all as we say the 3d graphics and it showed it enclosed but the plans didn't have cladding.
The thing is, it WILL be required as the concourses are treacherous in the wetter periods, but you could say that vast areas of KR were in the same "boat".
Either way Eamonn only really needs to stop the rain coming in for it to stop the complaints I think the stadium looks fine from where I sit in the south stand, and probably looks better in the North.
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| Quote ="Sadfish"
Either way Eamonn only really needs to stop the rain coming in for it to stop the complaints.'"
Easier said than done!
I wonder when we had the fine weather if it was felt we may get away with this for this season and one less expenditure on our outgoings, when the first complaints were raised I thought it was said it would said the cladding would be soon completed?
Perhaps the chairman and his friends do not have a bottomless pocket as some may think?
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| Quote ="Sadfish"This is what the original plans showed though.
Saints haven't hidden anything just that it wasn't obvious to us all as we say the 3d graphics and it showed it enclosed but the plans didn't have cladding.
The thing is, it WILL be required as the concourses are treacherous in the wetter periods, but you could say that vast areas of KR were in the same "boat".
Either way Eamonn only really needs to stop the rain coming in for it to stop the complaints I think the stadium looks fine from where I sit in the south stand, and probably looks better in the North.'"
Didn't Saints commission and were therefore responsible for the 3d graphics? They were certainly using them to publicise the ground, and sell tickets. Most fans will not look at the technical plans, so it is not unfair to say that things were hidden.
I haven't been to the ground yet, but from TV, it looks lovely, I don't think there are any issues with the look of it from inside, outside is a different matter, and if there are health and safety issues with the concourse then there's a problem. As you say, there are plenty of grounds with uncovered spaces, do they have a different ground surface to avoid slips etc. as I've never known issues with slipping in these older grounds.
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| Quote ="Sadfish"he is a God'"
That's what I find funny! was only discussing it with some die hards this morning who do not have the internet, they choked laughing!!
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| Quote ="Sadfish"Saints haven't hidden anything just that it wasn't obvious to us all as we say the 3d graphics and it showed it enclosed but the plans didn't have cladding.'"
The 3D graphics were promoted as the thing to see, and loads of people - including me - went to watch the presentation which included them. I watched it in the town centre. The club has misled people in this regard as the 3D graphics clearly showed an enclosed stadium and that really excited a lot of people, thinking that we could capture a serious atmosphere. Having the open sides has not only been a disappointment but they have also created an unpleasant experience at the stadium when the weather isn't warm and sunny.
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| Quote ="jaybs"That's what I find funny! was only discussing it with some die hards this morning who do not have the internet, they choked laughing!!'"
My comment was about his ability to control the weather as that would probably be the only thing you will see any time soon with regards to stopping the rain in those expanded areas of the North east and west stands.
I think people who think they where misled are mad, thats what plans are for, the representation was wrong, but are we the fools for that or Saints for not making the "halo" effect more obvious, the plans are there for all to see when all said and done.
I think the club are wrong to delay/not make a decision/not liaise with the fans over the cladding issue, and if i see Eamonn i'll tell him such, last time I spoke to him the answer was that it was going to happen after the reports of the roof issue where sorted.
I would love the cladding to get finished and all round too, but not at the over expense of the clubs finances spiralling..... We don't want to be the next Bradford, and really cladding is low on the overall agenda on the grand scheme of things......
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| Quote ="Sadfish"
I would love the cladding to get finished and all round too, but not at the over expense of the clubs finances spiralling..... We don't want to be the next Bradford, and really cladding is low on the overall agenda on the grand scheme of things......'"
you mean it's just a cover up ?
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| Quote ="Dave T"Didn't Saints commission and were therefore responsible for the 3d graphics? They were certainly using them to publicise the ground, and sell tickets. Most fans will not look at the technical plans, so it is not unfair to say that things were hidden.
I haven't been to the ground yet, but from TV, it looks lovely, I don't think there are any issues with the look of it from inside, outside is a different matter, and if there are health and safety issues with the concourse then there's a problem. As you say, there are plenty of grounds with uncovered spaces, do they have a different ground surface to avoid slips etc. as I've never known issues with slipping in these older grounds.'"
The concrete mix used on the concourses are for inside use and not for outside. The fact it's supposed to be a inside mix means to much water could make it crack or scuff up in places.
The reason it's so slippy when wet is because it's been power floated meaning its a very smooth finish which usually is used on house slabs, units etc
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| Quote ="sanjunien"you mean it's just a cover up ?
in answer to Sadfish sainf:
I would love the cladding to get finished and all round too, but not at the over expense of the clubs finances spiralling..... We don't want to be the next Bradford, and really cladding is low on the overall agenda on the grand scheme of things......'"
But I thought the Mighty One had a bottomless Pit of money and Friends in high places ever able to push in money! LOL 0 good job the forecast after a cold May is a hot summer. It did make me laugh in the rugby league weekly papers this week the letters that still gush about him, you would think no one else had ever invested personal money into rugby league!!! but the big joke was one who said he should take over from Richard Lewis which is a total and complete Joke! to run Rugby League!
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| Quote ="jaybs" but the big joke was one who said he should take over from Richard Lewis which is a total and complete Joke! to run Rugby League!'"
Please explain why that is a joke.
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"Please explain why that is a joke.'"
From his working background to controlling the game of rugby league! No! he simply do not have the right experience, this was shown when he decided to go to the media asking to reduce Super League to 12 clubs rather attend Super League meetings and raise the point, that shows some real experience! Perhaps if we go with 12 teams which I feel will be a major mistake, then will he go for a fair method to All Super League Clubs 14 balls with each teams name on and the two pulled out Go? I see some players back this as well will they take reduce wages? No! I seriously doubt it.
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