When he actually plays... I feel it's make or break for him in 2016

It is but he's better than SMD and quinlan with one leg

I like lomax but he's one more long lay off in 2016 from entering the Wheeler pigeon hole. In regards to Quinlan, very good support play but I don't think he made a tackle 1 on 1.

Quinlan is the worst kick returner I've ever seen in any level of rugby from u8s up to super league level.

His one on one's in defence are also the worst I've ever seen.

He won't do anything that involves contact

Is he going or staying - do we know for sure yet?

He,s gone, I think we are looking at another fullback from the body parts of Lomax and SMD.

Defo gone. I packed his and mose bag for them and drove them the airport and waited there until I seen the plane take off with my own eyes.

Great day for the club

Did you put a GPS tracker tag on them just to make sure they have past over the equator.

My app on phone let's me see where the plane was and I'm happy to say it landed down under

what about the effort to bring down a rampaging Ryan Hall in the semi? He was very good in that game imo.

Might be the fact that I fancy him a bit clouding my judgement, but I liked Quinlan. He reminded me of Rob Burrow and I don't think we ever saw the best of him.

Despite the lies the club came out with when he signed, he was clearly pretty badly injured in that game for the Magpies (Or whoever it was). He came over with more padding than Nick Fozzard on his thigh and he was never fully fit for us. If you look at him on youtube, he was like a young Rob Burrow, as spritely as it's possible to get. He was limping through his stay with us.

He is a modern fullback and a good one at that. He's prone to being stepped one on one, but lets face it, he's replaced Paul Wellens and he was absolutely appalling in every aspect of the game towards the end. Lomax is done, no point even bringing him back at all. SMD is probably in the same boat.

I'd presume if they prove me correct, Adam will be back over ala SMD.

Quinlan was OK in the first couple of games with his support play. For me he is the worse full back we've ever had in a saints shirt, he had zero confidence going head on in attack and defence, Paul Wellens with a gammy hip would have made some of those tackles and would,t resort to "pass the parcel" when Quinlan was on a kick return. Like many people have said we thank him for helping us out, as for being a good modern fullback......thats a definite NO.

Like I said, he was never fit with us. He clearly had a pretty bad thigh injury in that game before he came over and should probably have had a month off, but that would have been embarrassing for Saints. He was protecting his leg and didn't have the acceleration he has on the youtube clips from last season.

Is this Danny Craven better than him?

I would say not given that he can't get into the Widnes starting 17.
22 appearances in three seasons.

So the modern fullback is one that can't tackle, can't beat a man and doesn't like any form of contact?

I'd rather have the old fashioned fullback then. Give me Wello over quinlan any day of the week.

He's the worst fullback I've seen in a Saints shirt and that includes Leon Felton and SMD who are awful

Not sure SMD deserves to be labelled as awful. He was looking good before his injury.

I'm saying he was injured throughout his stay with us. He's never going to be amazing defensively, but we definitely need someone to play there at the start of the season.

His first stint he wasn't looking too good, second stint he started to gel into the side and was making a few breaks. In defence and running the ball out was much better than Quinlan.

Kick awareness and positioning were well down though!

Quinlan was very good under the high ball, but as Pete says avoided contact wherever possible and made next to no yards on kick returns. SMD was a touch better but still he's a very, very average player. Neither are good enough to be here longer than needed and should not be given new contracts.

Quinlan covered a position for us but he's not good enough IMO.

He looked solid under the bomb and his support play got him over the line a few times for us but he struggled in other areas IMO. He didn't threaten the opposition with his kick returns and defensively he was too rushed with his one v one decision making. He was beaten too easily, too frequently IMO. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt if he was brilliant in attack but as I say, his kick returns were consistently poor and despite a few nice touches, his vision coming into the line wasn't up to standard I'd expect for a club who are serious about winning trophies.

Nothing about our recruitment suggests that we are.

You said similar when you thought Wakey's backline was better than ours though

It is still. We just had a better pack.

Well I see that saddened is back on track.

All is woe.