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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What if he'd been holding the body of a dead crocodile that was about to drag you into a deathroll? Would you be happier then? Or is it because it's Bambi he's picked off that you think it's 'sick'?
Hunting is a very natural thing for predators to do. Humans are predators. We've gone soft because other people do it for us now and all we see is a slice wrapped up in plastic on a supermarket shelf.
I wonder if he can spare a slice of that deer for me? Yum!'"
He was killing for sport, not out of necessity. Anyone, whichever club they play for who enjoys killing for enjoyment is sick. It's legal and he is entitled to do it all the same.
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| You Saints mob put what ever spin you want on this its not good.
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| Quote ="Scanners"Anyone, whichever club they play for who enjoys killing for enjoyment is sick. '"
Well, if he was killing humans then I would agree with you. But he isn't. I'd also agree with you if he enjoyed bear bating, dog fighting, bull fighting or some other equally cruel sport. However, that's not what he is talking about at all.
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| Quote ="aerofine"This isn't about him providing food for his family. This is about the joy and pleasure he gets from taking another living creature's life. He maybe a great RL player, but for me he just belongs to a scum part of society that get their kicks from a blood sport.'"
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| Maybe explains why he goes for the head on the Rugby Field too...
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| Quote ="Fishsta"Maybe explains why he goes for the head on the Rugby Field too...'"
Oh deer!
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| Quote ="aerofine"This isn't about him providing food for his family. This is about the joy and pleasure he gets from taking another living creature's life. He maybe a great RL player, but for me he just belongs to a scum part of society that get their kicks from a blood sport.'"
Remind yourself of that next time you cruelly swat a fly for annoying you, flush a spider down the toilet, drive your car into an innocent oncoming insect, etc.
Anybody that eats meat has no justifiable moral high ground, even though they always seem to try and come up with one.
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| Quote ="Smurf"Remind yourself of that next time you cruelly swat a fly for annoying you, flush a spider down the toilet, drive your car into an innocent oncoming insect, etc.
Anybody that eats meat has no justifiable moral high ground, even though they always seem to try and come up with one.'"
Dead right, there's a lot of hypocrites on here. Reminds me of an old punk lyric from years ago.........
You moan about the seal cull and about the whale slaughter,
but does it really matter whether it lives on land or water.
You've never had a fur coat, you think it's cruel to mink.
Well what about the cows, pigs, sheep don't they make you think?
They don't write 'em like that anymore.
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| Love the daily mail style faux injustice by some about this. You'd think no-one has ever hunted before!
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| Quote ="aerofine"This isn't about him providing food for his family. This is about the joy and pleasure he gets from taking another living creature's life. He maybe a great RL player, but for me he just belongs to a scum part of society that get their kicks from a blood sport.'"
It really has nothing to do with you. Just cause you dont like it!!!!! Lets ban it!!!!! I am sure there are things you do that Kieron does not approve of. Killing dear is Always done as stock control (unless you are a poacher) Big estates who allow stalking are almost always doing it to cull either the old stock or any spare males etc....
Its nothing personal agaisnt you but i hate it when people give thier opinions on things and get all moral. You dont agree ok. There really is no need to come on here letting everyone know he is in your opinion scum. I really hope your a veggie cause if your not i suggest you down to a slaughter house cause the animals you eat bleed too. Is he really SCUM???? Do you hug tree's? Is the world all fluffy and white in your eyes. I know there are people out there who thing rugby is barbaric and should be banned!!!!!Where does it all end. Here's an idea, you mind your own business and we all do the same, suddenly the world is a better place.
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| Don,t know what all the hype is about, all this criticism is probably from people who don,t know anything about wildlife and natures balance.
Like the previous poster has mentioned the deer is regularly culled each year to control herd numbers across the land acres. If they increase in vast numbers they actually destroy lots of other wildlife in the area, the annual cull addresses the balance.
One thing I do know, is that Kieron will be managed into what he can and cant kill, he will be only able to kill old deer stock and then butchered for other animal or human consumption.
Maybe we all need to get rid of our computers, mobile phones, hypermarkets, political correctness etc to get back into the real natural world.
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| Gets on my wick that we expect sportsmen to be role models in their life outside of sport. The guys a role model on the field, I couldnt care what he does in his private life, he's not Morrissey - it's a moral agrument that isn't relavant to a guy that plays Rugby for a career. The only standards I expect from him off the field are to fulfill his Saints roles in the community, and has he not been a sheer proffessional in his duties for his whole career? I think so.
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| Bloodsports arn't my thing, but it's not illegal so who cares? If we were to ban everything that some people find offensive we would be in a 1984 style society before long
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Don,t know what all the hype is about, all this criticism is probably from people who don,t know anything about wildlife and natures balance.
Like the previous poster has mentioned the deer is regularly culled each year to control herd numbers across the land acres. If they increase in vast numbers they actually destroy lots of other wildlife in the area, the annual cull addresses the balance.'"
But according to a poster above they are bred to be hunted, so why breed them if the numbers are that high they need to be hunted for sport? Surely nature's balance doesn't need the help of a man with a gun?
Quote One thing I do know, is that Kieron will be managed into what he can and cant kill, he will be only able to kill old deer stock and then butchered for other animal or human consumption.
Maybe we all need to get rid of our computers, mobile phones, hypermarkets, political correctness etc to get back into the real natural world.'"
Does the 'real natural world' include the man made firearm he uses? Surely in the 'real natural world' he be using his bare hands? Then we'd be talking about 'nature's balance'.
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| If he had to use his bare hands, then nature would at least have its chance to defend itself / escape.
If he wants to shoot moving targets, what wrong with a firing range? Or Virtua Cop?
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| I think the last 2 posters have just destroyed the human race in there "natural world- bare hands" statements. Man having the "UpperHand" on other species have aways been hunters, be it with rock, clubs, spears, arrows or bullets. Humans that normally kill with there bare hands are normally other humans.
I shoot wildlife of the photography kind in some remote parts of Scotland where I see at first hand where hunting is the norm and natural part of the landscape.
I,m not into this urbanised hypocritical rubbish stuff............If anyone HERE eats mass produced, hormone induced, meat or fish that have lived under un natural environmemts, then killed by electricity or by a bolt through the brain, don't bother answering this post.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I think the last 2 posters have just destroyed the human race in there "natural world- bare hands" statements. Man having the "UpperHand" on other species have aways been hunters, be it with rock, clubs, spears, arrows or bullets.'"
Hunting to survive, as has been the case through the majority of history, is a completely different matter to hunting for sport.
Quote I shoot wildlife of the photography kind in some remote parts of Scotland where I see at first hand where hunting is the norm and natural part of the landscape.
I,m not into this urbanised hypocritical rubbish stuff............If anyone HERE eats mass produced, hormone induced, meat or fish that have lived under un natural environmemts, then killed by electricity or by a bolt through the brain, don't bother answering this post.'"
That's the same kind of bull argument thrown up by the supporters of fox hunting, and that wasn't a natural part of the landscape either. There's a reported problem with badgers spreading bovine tb, a problem a cull may help solve, why doesn't he hunt badgers instead?
I also note you avoid commenting on the suggestion that these animals are bred to be hunted...
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| Methinks you're missing the point, Judder Man...
We're talking about an amateur taking pot-shots at real creatures. The professionals, those who rear or farm animals for the provision of food to the masses, make very few mistakes in the way they stun or kill animals so that their suffering is minimal. Sure, there's the odd mistake, but Elmer Fudd here is far more likely to increase the suffering of an animal many times before he lands a killer blow or shot.
That is needless, and as I said, what's the matter with a firing range?
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| Quote ="Fishsta" what's the matter with a firing range?'"
Clay doesn't digest quite as well as a delicious steak?
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| Quote ="Smurf"Clay doesn't digest quite as well as a delicious steak?'"
Leave Cunningham's weight problem out of this.
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| Quote ="Fishsta"We're talking about an amateur taking pot-shots at real creatures. '"
He's been killing for food since he was a kid. Didn't you read the article? I'd hardly call him an amateur! I would have thought by now he was quite the expert.
He can come and cull the damn pigeons around my house. They crap all over the place.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"He's been killing for food since he was a kid. Didn't you read the article? I'd hardly call him an amateur! I would have thought by now he was quite the expert.
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And he has a professional licence under strict laws to hunt.
We are in a rural group in the lake district and most of us are having a really good laugh at the attention and reactions from a few on this board.
Most of our wildlife group are assuming that some of the protesters don,t have a clue about wildlife and the nearest they have been to it is perhaps a joint of beef or a fish fillet at the supermarket counter.
Maybe people should investigate the processes of animal stock going to the cattle market then to the slaughterhouse and the stresses to the animal concluding in terror.
Perhaps we should not eat animal at all, and just kill and eat one another...... using our bare hands.
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| Did any one watch "Monty Halls's Hebridian Escape" Last night?
He was deer stalking with the area Laird and game keeper. They shot a stag and it didn't seem particulary cruel to me.
However, in another scene he went fishing. Sicko.
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