well said saints fan. (we dont usually agree do we) Dont want to have to try and explain design and build, but its not the contractor who designs, the contractor does what it says on the plans, believe me, if anyone from the builders thought for one second it was the contractors fault they would be shouting it from the (damaged rooftop). there will be people now working out calculations to stop this happening again. Then we can move on, ill bet there has not been one building site ever without problems, its just one of those things, but our stadium is in the spotlight so everything is blown out of proportion

I've no problem with any of this and companies do indeed have to start somewhere; However, I run a business and would not hire someone to do a specialised job for us who had not got the relevant experiance in that type of project - I'm probably a bit selfish and would let others take that risk first.

What is done is done and as you say, it could be a design problem and nothing to do with the roofers or it could be the actual instalation of the roof that was not done according to the design/plans. Hopefully it is not the roofing company ar fault as this would not be good for them as a growing company based in an area that needs jobs.

Whatever; but fingers crossed no more damage and it's a simple solution.
In any event we will be covered (no pun intended) its just how long it take to resolve the problem.
(The issue with wind damage to St George's stadium in Aus happened 2 months ago and they are still arguing who is to blame and which is the best way to fix it).

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... ref=twtrec I think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... ref=twtrec I think people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!

Quite!

It puts things into perspective.

That's all very well.but we all know that their's is an Ikea flat pack.
Our's should be made of sterner stough

Clearly you are an expert in this, but what you are saying, and what the contractor is saying are two completely different things. Are you saying that the contractor lied in this article, because it is pretty clear to me that they are claiming the credit on numerous occasions for designing the roof as well? Maybe you could take some time to explain design and build, because it is pretty confusing to a mere pleb like me.

[iCSP Roofing designed and installed the roof of St Helens’ new £20m Langtree Park ground. The 18,000-seat stadium is due to open in time for the new Super League season which kicks off next January.


Contracts director Keith Hope said: “This was a very important contract for us.

“It took a lot of design work and there was immense pressure to get it completed on time, which we did.

“It took some getting because the design work involved was pretty intensive. I think that’s why we shone through and won the work; because we were able to come up with answers.[/i

It's not a design fault, I can 100% tell you that.

Love to see the perlin/tec screw specs.

By design I meant in the structure of the stadium itself as some seem to be alluding too. It is more likely that the crimps weren't strong enough for the job or weren't in place properly.

100% eh we will see

I have just attempted to access CSPs website and it doesn't appear to exist yet or would appear to be in the stages of development on another link. This is a bit concerning as I would think that a firm that claims to be expanding so rapidly would have a website.
Would redvee if not the club consider emailing them for a clear and transparent answer as to the root cause of the roofing failure? In the interests of spectator confidence and the company's reputation I think this would be helpful.
I could do it personally but I think if the redvee or the club did it it would have more clout.
If the company are proactive rather than reactive I would imagine they would be keeping an eye on this forum and RLfans and be preparing a response.

Dont want to give people ideas, but I can just see an away end full of speccies in hard hats this season, taking the on Sky TV.

It would be quite amusing.

Full PPE.
Helmet, visor, fire retardant boiler suit, rig boots and ear defenders.

I've still got mine from my offshore, refinery days. The best ever was a pair of Rayban sun/safety glasses from when I was working in Texas. I got a load of "urine extraction" when I started wearing them back in the U.K. though.



Pure jealousy.

Wear them when you come to our place... The home fans can play the RL version of Where's Wally!

exile You seem to be making the asumption that the roofer is at fault, I wish people would stop trying to pick people up before they have fallen over. Why would you think a company would be looking at a fans forum to prepare anything i dont know.

to be fair to zinser, that is a design flaw as all the materials would have been included on the job sheet(s) so whoever did the planning for that would (if thats the flaw) be at fault

I agree, and actually this touches on my main concern here.

There are a number of people who COULD be at fault for this (I don't know anything about building but I assume that the roofer could have carried out his plans perfectly, but the architect inadvertedly created a windtunnel effect which increased the load of the roof above that which it was designed to bear, or similar)

My concern is that everybody involved will spend a long time arguing about who is at fault, which might leave us short on time or cash until it's sorted?

Perhaps someone can tell me that the main contractor has to fix it then argue about money with subbies afterwards, that would be the ideal.

It appears that the club had a contract with Langtree to design and build the stadium and they appointed Barr to build who had a sub-contract with CSP Roofing, so in any event the club (or its insurers) is unlikely to be speaking to CSP Roofing but will in all probability be speaking to Langtree and possibly Langtree's insurers.

If in the end it is concluded it is a design and not a construction fault, then as far as I can see as it was designed by Langtree's "in house" team either way it is their issue with Saints i.e. whether it was a design/specification issue or a construction issue it is still Langtree's problem.
They (Langtree) may they argue is it a contruction issue which means they can then try to offload liability to the builders, but as Saints do not appear to have a direct contract with Barr's then this is a mute point for the club IMO.

True, True. I may have mis-understood, I thought he/she was talking about the structure of the stadium itself.



I don't know who's copped the blame but repairs were under-way today.

"exile You seem to be making the assumption that the roofer is at fault, I wish people would stop trying to pick people up before they have fallen over. Why would you think a company would be looking at a fans forum to prepare anything i don't know."

I based my post on the article in the Cumbrian paper to which there is a link somewhere either here or Redvee. In the article the company proudly boast that they "designed and built" the roof. Apart from the weather where else does the accountability lie? I am not disputing that they are a reputable firm I'm just saying that if the finger is seemingly being pointed at the company then in the interests of reassurance and company image then I would be putting the PR men into motion and clarifying matters.
I'm just looking forward to the whole thing being repaired and safe and ready to go for the Widnes game!

it will be dont worry, there is no way they would miss out on that widnes game, its worth to much money for the club.

And the reason why I am saying give the roofer a break no one from saints is pointing the finger, its chinese whispers on sites like this that start, next thing they are at fault. Im in the construction trade myself and its not good when you get the blame for something you might not be guilty of

Went across the bridge yesterday to Tesco and it looks like someone has tried to pull up some of the manhole covers.

How long before it's wrecked I wonder?

You are taking the design portion far too literally. The subs element of design will be limited to the flashings. Materials gauge, fixings and fixing centres will be specd by the manufacturer.

Bit of info here with regards to stadium security systems www.connectingindustry.com/story ... 202957&c=1 Interesting how it is capable of carrying voice alarms. "SYSTEM 888 SYSTEM 888" perhaps. Or more probably something like "Emergency systems activated. Please immediately evacuate the building by the nearest available exit."

Bit of info here with regards to stadium security systems www.connectingindustry.com/story ... 202957&c=1 Interesting how it is capable of carrying voice alarms. "SYSTEM 888 SYSTEM 888" perhaps. Or more probably something like "Emergency systems activated. Please immediately evacuate the building by the nearest available exit."

Quote ="The Chair Maker"Bit of info here with regards to stadium security systems www.connectingindustry.com/story ... 202957&c=1 Interesting how it is capable of carrying voice alarms. "SYSTEM 888 SYSTEM 888" perhaps. Or more probably something like "Emergency systems activated. Please immediately evacuate the building by the nearest available exit."'" £44m stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote ="The Chair Maker"Bit of info here with regards to stadium security systems www.connectingindustry.com/story ... 202957&c=1 Interesting how it is capable of carrying voice alarms. "SYSTEM 888 SYSTEM 888" perhaps. Or more probably something like "Emergency systems activated. Please immediately evacuate the building by the nearest available exit."'" £44m stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!