Jeez do we have to put up with St Helens town again.

What was intresting about the list of events allowed at the ground........was they changed it from rugby league, to rugby games in the last meeting.

Would you think that would mean rugby union games could be played their in the future? Cause unless they bring the big money id rather keep it for league

I was frightened to ask this question earlier as I thought people might have thought it was devisive/negative, but now the dust has settled and these decisions are looked at in hindsight.......

Anyone fancy giving the definitive answer on this question....

What EXACTLY is Tesco bringing to the table to the advantage of Saints for the building of their new ground. Or, in other words, if Saints would have gone it alone could they have done this a lot sooner?

Is Tesco donating any money directly or even indirectly towards the ground? If so, what? If not, then why did we ever need them?

As far as I can tell, including a supermarket in the mix only made the planning process infinitely harder. So unless they were putting a big lump of beef in the pot, why did we need them?

So..... what exactly did we need Tesco for?

Please, no vague answers, I would love to know specifically, what does Tesco bring to the table? In hindsight, was it the correct decision?

Alas, it seems like it, although last I heard Saints weren't keen. I hope they pay rent this time though.

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I was frightened to ask this question earlier as I thought people might have thought it was devisive/negative, but now the dust has settled and these decisions are looked at in hindsight....... Anyone fancy giving the definitive answer on this question.... What EXACTLY is Tesco bringing to the table to the advantage of Saints for the building of their new ground. Or, in other words, if Saints would have gone it alone could they have done this a lot sooner? Is Tesco donating any money directly or even indirectly towards the ground? If so, what? If not, then why did we ever need them? As far as I can tell, including a supermarket in the mix only made the planning process infinitely harder. So unless they were putting a big lump of beef in the pot, why did we need them? So..... what exactly did we need Tesco for? Please, no vague answers, I would love to know specifically, what does Tesco bring to the table? In hindsight, was it the correct decision?'" Tesco does make planning harder, or should I say more complicated, the main shakers in all this is the Council, the Council needed to justify their involvement and I think they have, as a town we will have a new Texco extra whether you agree with giant Supermarkets or not, a redeveloped Market St and new housing in Knowsley Road and finally a brand new stadium on what was a derelict industrial town centre site. As to what Tesco bring to the table listen to what the chief exec has to say. listen from 27 minutes. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 ... 7_01_2010/

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I was frightened to ask this question earlier as I thought people might have thought it was devisive/negative, but now the dust has settled and these decisions are looked at in hindsight....... Anyone fancy giving the definitive answer on this question.... What EXACTLY is Tesco bringing to the table to the advantage of Saints for the building of their new ground. Or, in other words, if Saints would have gone it alone could they have done this a lot sooner? Is Tesco donating any money directly or even indirectly towards the ground? If so, what? If not, then why did we ever need them? As far as I can tell, including a supermarket in the mix only made the planning process infinitely harder. So unless they were putting a big lump of beef in the pot, why did we need them? So..... what exactly did we need Tesco for? Please, no vague answers, I would love to know specifically, what does Tesco bring to the table? In hindsight, was it the correct decision?'" Tesco does make planning harder, or should I say more complicated, the main shakers in all this is the Council, the Council needed to justify their involvement and I think they have, as a town we will have a new Texco extra whether you agree with giant Supermarkets or not, a redeveloped Market St and new housing in Knowsley Road and finally a brand new stadium on what was a derelict industrial town centre site. As to what Tesco bring to the table listen to what the chief exec has to say. listen from 27 minutes. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 ... 7_01_2010/

I doubt they will unless we charge them a tenner a match or something similar, aren't they skint?

I suppose we did shaft them a touch over the 'Sporting Club St Helens' fiasco of a few years back.

did we?

Saints, from what I can gather, paid off their debts (300k) when they moved to KR and from what I understand paid off the debt owed when the left SCS (34K).

More than hoghton road or St Helens Town brought the party.

What exactly is it that St Helens Town have done for the Saints, does anyone know??

Threaten legal action against them? Oh, that's not [ifor[/i the Saints!

Er.

Um.

There must be something ...

And left them homeless.

What happened to the money from the Hoghton Road site? Did they not own that?



Nothing now, but was there must have been a reason for bringing them on board, incorrect or not. But I'm sure they wished they'd never bothered either now.

I'm just guessing, but did Saints and St. Helens Town FC think at that time that there was more of a chance of a new stadium being built if both clubs were involved as a joint venture?

It was something to do with grant funding IIRC.

Well, I listened to that and he said very little about what Tesco have actually brought to the table.

Liverpool St Helens RUFC were also part of It for a time. Typical muddled thinking from the powers that be at that time.

Yeah it was to do with grants from the FA why St Helens Town where on board, I think the feeling might have been that Liverpool St Helens RU ground might have been useful perhaps if all three clubs shared the new stadium, of course LSH left the party quite some time ago.

Mal Kay said he wanted it to be like Sporting Club Barcelona if I recall the meeting we had with him at the time correcly. The idea for an umberalla club was a good one, but Saints didnt have the money and LSH and Town are not high enough in their relative sports to really become and all round sporting excellence style club.

And I think the grants they could achieve were related to their position in their sports.

I'm told the reason Saints were happy to keep them at KR was that having a multi-sport venue attracted funds from Sport England to Saints coffers.

Tesco as a secured "anchor" tenant make the whole development financially viable. Without there is no way that Saints could afford to pay for all the necessary new and up-grading of existing sewers, roads and utilities or the mucky mountain money. Having the guaranteed future "rent" from Tesco at a level still viable for them allows the developer to make a profit after it has paid all the interest and repayments on the money it will be borrowing.

The question you should perhaps ask is what do St Helens rugby bring to the table for Tesco. Well whilst Tesco may make the obtaining of planning for the stadium more difficult to obtain, the stadium and the good that will do for the town as a whole makes it possible for Tesco to get planning.

In truth both parties are dependant on what the other brings to the table.

thats about it, they wouldnt get planning without us, and we couldnt afford it without them.

Tesco are a means to an end, it could have been any other supermarket chain, first and foremost Langtree where charge with building a Stadium for St Helelns RFLC not a Supermarket, remember the plans for a Casino. Tesco though always had the inside track because of the Market St developement, plans to develope that part of town are nigh on 15 years old.
All parties do well out of the Saints need for a new stadium, the Council get Market Street developed, Tesco get their new Supermarket, and to develope their old site (Market street) the bottle shop is saved, much needed housing on Knowsly Road.
What do the club bring to the table, money from the sale of Knowsley Road, money from the NWDA, this money is for the club not for the developers or to build Supermarkets, Tesco involvement in all this will come at a cost that cost will help build the Stadium for the club, Langtree are not imune from costs either, they will make a lot of money having Tesco on their developement.
No doubt Sadfish will be the one to find out first about the fine details of this deal from some shareholders meeting in the future.

Sorry that's a myth. The council will be paying for all that. That is the council's contribution and they have put on record how they will raise the money for it. Tesco will definitely NOT be paying for infrastructure like sewers and feeder roads etc. SImilarly the NWDA money is paying for the clearence and preparation of the land.



That is how the developer benefits. Maybe indirectly Saints benefit from that, but that's pure guess work. Just as possibly Saints could have gone ahead alone and got the prime spot right next to the linkway. I'm guessing that people don't know the answer to this and just posting guesswork.

So I go back to my original question....
In what way EXACTLY is Saints benefitting from the involvement of a supermarket?

If you don't know, it's quite OK to post 'I don't know' instead of guessing and making stuff up.

He said money.

Tesco will put money into building the new stadium, that is how these things work, that is why Tesco have been brought into the mix to help fund the Stadium, its the only way we are going to get a new stadium.
Tesco help fund the new Tory club in Haydock, the developers of Triplex will help fund a new club on that site, Everton went down the same road only to be Knocked back by the Council, Warrington where helped by Tesco, the new Castleford and Wakefield stadiums will be funded by retail developement around their stadium sites.
The only mystery is how much they will put in, its a price they are willing pay to open a giant Supermarket in the town.

Listened to the whole thing and I never once heard him say Tesco are putting money into Saints' build. He did say something vague about Tesco and the developer mutually benefitting each other. It may be that Saints indirectly benefit from that but equally it may be that they don't. I (and I suspect you too) have no way of knowing. I was wondering if anyone on here did actually know for sure.

All you're doing with the rest of your post is comparing Saints' development with others. It does not necesarily follow that Saints got the same deal as these others. In other words you don't know, but you're guessing. Fair enough, but not what I'm looking for.

Of course I am guessing, very few people will be privy to what you want to know, and I very much doubt many people will ever know the real amount Tesco put in, it would set a bench mark for any future development Tesco are involved in.
On the radio interview, when asked where the money was coming from to fund the stadium, the chief exec replied from 4 parties, the club, with the sale of KR, the council, the NWDA, Tesco stroke Langtree.

I wouldn't be surprised if Saints have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement relating to the funds introduced by Tesco due to Tesco not wanting very public precedents set for their involvement in schemes of this nature.

All this head banging about finding out exactly how much they are contributing is futile, but I would bet a pound to a penny that they are contributing cold hard cash to the stadium project.

exactly, and i imagine their army of property lawyers cant have hurt either

I agree with you on this point. In the end Saints have £8M, NWDA £8M and the Council are doing the sewers etc. with less money than that Dire built the HJ (with some CASH from Tesco of course).

The people promoting the whole scheme may not be geniuses but they are not stupid either. My bet is that Tesco are bunging Saints a few £M but don't want the details out and have an NDA in place.