I did. That concerned me. We aren't Canterbury. Only James Graham could pull that off and he was also prepared to put the hard yards in, something not one of our forwards was prepared to do last night.

Very complacent performance up front, with the perfect storm of great hudds performance and some bad luck.

Unpleasant and uncomfortable to watch, but I feel the timely reminder that league is a game that rewards hard work and aggression will serve us well.

No talismanic from me yet,

Very complacent performance up front, with the perfect storm of great hudds performance and some bad luck.

Unpleasant and uncomfortable to watch, but I feel the timely reminder that league is a game that rewards hard work and aggression will serve us well.

No panic from me yet, but wello, Wilkin and manu would be sitting out the Widnes game if I were in charge.

It concerned me as well. Its a nice effective idea if it works but we ain't got the players good enough to do that.

It takes Perry all his effort to catch the ball, never mind passing.

TP is to lazy to pass the ball but believe me, he'd pass all night if he could, he looked afraid of the giants last night.

Laffranchi is small enough to play in the halves but he can't even master the prop postion so he's no chance at being a ball player.

What a load of tosh.

Being a Saints fan you naturally watched him week in week out?

As much as it was a terrible start to the season, a lot of posts on here are showing we have fans who know very little in terms of RL.

Firstly, last season began with Gaskell & Lomax in the halves and we looked clueless, very similar to last night. The reason being, neither one of them is experienced enough or knows how to organise a team properly. Whilst hohaia is not the best half back in the world, he can organise a line which is why rush used him there last season.

Secondly, Paul Wellens. 20+ tries last season, always gives his all and is usually safe as houses. People are judging full backs now on what likes of Tomkins, Slater etc can do and Wello has never been that style of player. He still gives his all every game and still capable of doing a job for us. Perhaps if our defensive line did what it's paid to do and made tackles Wello wouldn't be in the spotlight as much.

Don't know how anybody can try to single Meli out last night either. Granted 1-17 were poor but Meli is our main strike player who we gave 1 pass to all game yesterday. Sadly the finger of blame points at the half backs not being organised enough to distribute the ball out wide.

The one player who does need dropping is Perry. I have never seen a player go from state of origin enforcer to pudding like he has. Whether on attack or defence he never wins a collision and sadly the only thing he will be remembered for his time at saints is being arrested for his naked run on mad Monday - bet that was easiest arrest police ever made and managed to drive him 10 yards back up the street before cuffing him!! Clough has to return and we have Greenwood and Walmsley who have impressed pre season and show heart when they play, time to give them a chance!!

Rant over, 1 game doesn't make a season. IIRC Huddersfield went away to Wigan in round 1 last season and beat them 38-12 (there or there abouts) and look at how the season panned out for the 2 teams. After a possible complacent start after 2 friendly wins this could be the kick up the backside we need to fulfil our potential this year. Maybe we should get behind the team instead of writing them off and see how we go in next few games.

Keep the faith...COYS

What a difference a day makes, this time yesterday it was all talk about which coach would get sacked first and that the new Salford Reds owner would want a refund! perhaps some would want a refund for that performance! totally unexpected and on live TV!

And you say others have little knowledge of Rugby League.

Last night had absolutely nothing to do with the Half-Backs, they were playing behind a beaten pack from the first minute until the last, and ended up kicking from the own 20-30 meter line for the majority of the game. It had nothing to do with their ability to control the game, the fact of the matter is they were on the back foot all the time, and as a Half-Back, to control the side on the back off that is practically impossible.

The blame lies with the forwards, and they deserve all the stick that's coming to them.

I fully agree the forwards were awful but 1-17 were awful. We got ourselves into some attacking positions though and when we did our halfbacks looked clueless, they are as much to blame as anybody else last night. My point around them is not them struggling to play behind a poor pack, but they can't organise a prayer in a mosque and that isn't the fault of mike rush, lance hohaia or anybody else that's being blamed for "ruining the partnership".

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe Lomax and Gaskell will develop into a brilliant pairing for saints over the next few years, but from evidence last season and last night they aren't ready to lead a super league team just yet

In that case you are truly lost and no one on here can save you. The blinkers are there for life.

Wellens is an institution , no surprise that many views have become institutionalised.

wigan lost 20-16 first game last season ,slightly less embarrassing!

In all honesty, I would love us to have a more attacking full back, someone who contributes more in an attacking sense, but the effort and commitment he gives week in week out is inspirational, and as I said, if the other 16 blokes who took to the field last night gave half of what he did, we wouldn't have been in that situation.

You do remember that Rush dropped Gaskell for pretty much the whole of last season, yes? And you now expect him and Lomax to gel and be very experienced after a season of not playing together when Gaskell has had his development from 2011 hindered? If you do then I have to say you are lacking a bit between the ears.

Had Lomax and Gaskell been playing together all last season and had they been coached well and given the opportunity to correct mistakes, learn how to retrieve messes, etc, then it is highly likely they would have been able to make something of yesterday's mess. If you remember, Simmons was quoted as saying that he was trying to teach them how to deal with adversity, before he was sacked and the club stuck its head in the sand. He recognised what was actually needed. All Rush did was defer the problem to Brown. And now Brown has to do what Rush should have done, and teach our halfbacks how to deal with adversity. On top of that he has to get them used to playing together again and help Gaskell catch up after a year in the u20s.

But even doing all of that would be a total waste of time with such gutless forwards as ours were yesterday. Brough would have been nowhere if his forwards had behaved as ours did. They were an embarrassment.

Yeah, he is so inspirational. His knock ons, dropped ball, absence from defence and ineptitude in attack just inspired us to the nth degree yesterday.

Giving his all, if indeed that's what he does these days, is not enough - or should not be enough - to keep a player in the side.

Yes, Perry played at no 6 on 2 occasions yesterday. I also noticed Wellens is no longer the slowest player in the back line that nomination goes to Meli.
We will get back to playing with the right energy levels and effort, but my biggest concern is still our half back situation. Yes they were behind a beaten pack but they don,t have the right mind set to boss the team around the park.
We were saying the same thing last year, we don,t have an inspirational leader to give the team belief ( Joynt, Cunningham, Sculthorpe, Graham etc)
Also I would go to say that Roby is not as good a player as 5 years ago, he is more hard working and important to the team but he is no longer a consistent game changer.

He was poor last night, but it's very difficult for a full back to do anything when the opposition are breaking through at will, and have 3 or 4 men supporting the ball carrier when a break is made. We had no field position whatsoever ever last night, and attacking opportunities were extremely limited. The same applied to Lomax and Gaskell, we had no platform last night to create anything, so to place the blame at the hands of the back line is not fair IMO.

If you are looking to point the finger at someone, the forwards are the ones you need to be looking at, not the full back.

As a Warrington supporter can I say this is totally right. Your pack was dominated by what is a very good Huddersfield pack. The one thing I can blame your HBs for though was the clueless 'options' on the last tackle.

So nobody can have an opinion on an opposition player, ever?

You say no blame on the HBs, but they didn't help things. Beaten pack or otherwise they made the wrong ball options in the few times we had the ball in an attacking position.

For me the whole team were a total mess yesterday. I blame the lot of them. But I lay least blame in the hands of the halfbacks because of the messed up situation last season which is bound to impact this season. As for Wello, he had similar problems last year too it is just that they were exaggerated yesterday.

Who was our MOM by the way.

Robes.

You clearly don't come on here much then

Meli is the designated scapegoat and is at fault for everything that ever goes wrong - didn't you get the memo?

I thought Flannery had his quitest game in a Saints shirt in a very, very long time actually - you could hardly even tell he was on the field

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