Aye not to be sniffed at.

Joel Tomkins and Mossop are the only two quality players in that list.

Whereas only Tony P is the only quality player in Mugwump's list.

You obviously have a clouded judgement if you dont see O'Loughlin is a quality player. Hock was the most devastating back row forward in the league before his ban although it remains to be seen what he'll be like when he returns. Also Hansen and Farrell all over Dixon and Ashurst in my opinion.

Have to say, O Loughlin is having a great season.

Dont rate Joel Tomkins though and Mossop is still work in progress.

If all these Goons are so utterly brilliant how come they've won absolutely feck all?

This is their year. Did you not get the memo?

Them young kids they're rubbish them. We need Long, Sculthorpe, Martyn, and Murphy back. Them other teams are great, even if we are ahead of most of 'em in the league. What we need is 20 current Kangaroo internationals and Benji Marshall to play for us, with Jack Gibson as coach (that Potter is gash)

I thought this was the year of the Wolf?

It's weird how the Monkey People are bigging up players they couldn't wait to get shut of twelve months ago.

[size=50P.S. Hock will be finished as a top class player when he comes back.[/size

A little harsh IMO - It will depend on what shape he has kept himself in - TBH I could easily see him taking a good half a season to get back to match fitness and get used to playing again - maybe he will be loaned out by the pies on a dual registration to get some proper match practice in.

He'll do his bit. He may even play a few good games. But two years away from any sport often blunts a player's edge.

If he gets near the England team I'd be astonished.

Maybe - I can see him having some trouble getting back to International level though if for no other reason the politics ...

I dont know if Wigan have said anything on the matter yet but I'm not even sure he's been offered any kind of deal yet when his ban runs out. I know he's not allowed to do anything Rugby related at all at the moment but I'd imagine he'd be a free agent so there's no saying he would be back in Cherry and White at all ..

I should have said - not least because there are better kids emerging who aren't as prone to pressing the self-destruct button (offside, decapitation, backchatting or twenty-four hour charlie bender) in comedic fashion.

Thankfully, SL has moved on from Hock.

Yeah - I actually forgot about some of the dumber aspects to his game (you missed manhadling refs out

), a real shame though as he definetly has(had) the talent.

He can't go on dual registration.

Tom Armstrong should surely get his chance now. He's scored 2 hat tricks on the bounce for our u20's.

Something like 10 try's in 4 games for him.

ah well maybe a proper full fat loan then. I must admit I'm not clear on the rules of this dual registration stuff

I think a player has to be under 21 to go on dual registration.

Hock is breaking the rules if he even speaks to a representative from Wigan RLFC about his future or anything else rugby related before his ban is up.

Personally I'd ask him where he got his training regime from or his new Wigan player issue training gear. ebay would probably be his answer but knowing how much of a dumb fool he is I woudn't be surprised to hear him cough up the truth.

I can imagine it all now. There will be an announcement on the day his ban expires. "Gareth Hock turns down 154 bids from NRL and SL clubs to repay the fans at Wigan" wadda, wadda, wadda.

Cunningham doesn't look like the most natural athelte, but he's been superfit for years.

Stop dealing in facts!

Cunningham didn't have a gut at 20 years old.

Neither did I.