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| Quote ="Mugwump"Not necessarily. If I open a box and find a beetle it doesn't give me any grounds to believe all boxes contain beetles. It may come as a surprise to you, but "Burnout" is a psychological condition - not a physical one. And like all psychological conditions it is poorly understood. The malaise is commonly associated with extreme stress, depression and a variety of other - what you might term negative - emotional states. If we agree that there is such a condition then the probability that an individual will fall victim to it is entirely dependant on his psychological makeup. And no two are ever the same. We have no way of knowing whether Graham is likely to fall victim. He could well play the same way right into his thirties.
There is no doubt that Stuart Fielden experienced an alarming slump in form just when he should have been in his prime - and, barring the odd rally, he has remained there ever since. "Burnout" is the popular explanation. But it's not a certainty. He might well be suffering from injury - perhaps a damaged back (Paul Groves' career nosedived similarly because of such), or groin (Hanley, Sculthorpe). These were [ichronic[/i conditions which, whilst treatable with palliative care, could not be cured and seriously degraded each player's abilities right up to retirement. I am not aware that Fielden is suffering from such an injury - but this is not proof of nonexistance. Choosing to become a professional sportsman doesn't mean you must make your medical history available for public viewing.
Returning to burnout through depression and/or stress, it is worth recalling what Fielden's home life was like when his form began to dip. You may or may not know that he was acting as one of or the primary carer(s) for his father, who was terminally ill with Motor Neurone Disease (the same condition that Stephen Hawking suffers from). I have witnessed the ugly effects of this disease up close and it is not something to be taken lightly. Witnessing the complete physical breakdown of a person whilst knowing he or she remains consciously alert - locked inside a prison of his own body - is heartbreaking. In its terminal stage the patient can be almost completely paralysed. Only the purely autonomic functions remain (heartbeat, brain activity etc.) and eventually even they succumb. In many cases death is through slow asphyxiation. It is not surprising that both sufferers and their families campaign vigorously for the right of assisted suicide.
Fielden could not have gone through such an ordeal without coming out of it a different person - with different priorities. It's part of being human. Bad enough to experience the death of one's father. The torment of witnessing a protracted - dignity robbing - illness must be exponentially more difficult to bear. We're talking about [ilife-changing[/i events here that can completely remodel a person's psychological landscape. Perhaps he no longer felt as driven as he used to (it's no co-incidence that many scientists do their best research when they're between the ages of 20 and 30, when life appears less complicated and the only priority is their work). Or perhaps he simply fell out of love with the game.'"
Tremendous well thought out sensitive post Mugwump
So easy for people to just bring up Willie Mason's blindside, much respect for the thoughtfulness of your post. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"sleepy.gif Do people fall asleep when you talk? I just had 40 winks after reading that. You are a good cure for insomnia.'"
You're a great cure for depression, you make people who feel inadequate realise how much worse things could be.
Great post Mugwump real pity that some people don't realise that internet forums are the very place for thought out opinion and reasoned argument.
I have worked as a fulltime carer to a member of my family who had alzheimers it was thoroughly exhausting physically at times but mainly mentally. For me the best way to relax was to go for long runs and bike rides and I'd go for miles and miles pushing myself more and more. When she died, as sad as I felt, it was a weight lifted off my shoulders and now I still go for the odd run and, if my back's not playing up, bike rides, but I don't go anywhere near as far and it's nowhere near the same intensity. Before it seemed to serve a purpose but now it doesn't and you hear people say it all the time that they're going to the gym because they've had a bad day at the office. Sometimes its a subconscious thing and FWIW I think Fielden's performances have been affected by this. |
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Has Danny hacked your account or something?
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| Quote ="Mugwump"[isnip[/i'"
Was that aswell as losing his Mother?
Rugby would be the last thing on his mind, poor lad.
[urlhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_league/article4322174.ece[/url |
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Not necessarily. If I open a box and find a beetle it doesn't give me any grounds to believe all boxes contain beetles. It may come as a surprise to you, but "Burnout" is a psychological condition - not a physical one. And like all psychological conditions it is poorly understood. The malaise is commonly associated with extreme stress, depression and a variety of other - what you might term negative - emotional states. If we agree that there is such a condition then the probability that an individual will fall victim to it is entirely dependant on his psychological makeup. And no two are ever the same. We have no way of knowing whether Graham is likely to fall victim. He could well play the same way right into his thirties.
There is no doubt that Stuart Fielden experienced an alarming slump in form just when he should have been in his prime - and, barring the odd rally, he has remained there ever since. "Burnout" is the popular explanation. But it's not a certainty. He might well be suffering from injury - perhaps a damaged back (Paul Groves' career nosedived similarly because of such), or groin (Hanley, Sculthorpe). These were [ichronic[/i conditions which, whilst treatable with palliative care, could not be cured and seriously degraded each player's abilities right up to retirement. I am not aware that Fielden is suffering from such an injury - but this is not proof of nonexistance. Choosing to become a professional sportsman doesn't mean you must make your medical history available for public viewing.
Returning to burnout through depression and/or stress, it is worth recalling what Fielden's home life was like when his form began to dip. You may or may not know that he was acting as one of or the primary carer(s) for his father, who was terminally ill with Motor Neurone Disease (the same condition that Stephen Hawking suffers from). I have witnessed the ugly effects of this disease up close and it is not something to be taken lightly. Witnessing the complete physical breakdown of a person whilst knowing he or she remains consciously alert - locked inside a prison of his own body - is heartbreaking. In its terminal stage the patient can be almost completely paralysed. Only the purely autonomic functions remain (heartbeat, brain activity etc.) and eventually even they succumb. In many cases death is through slow asphyxiation. It is not surprising that both sufferers and their families campaign vigorously for the right of assisted suicide.
Fielden could not have gone through such an ordeal without coming out of it a different person - with different priorities. It's part of being human. Bad enough to experience the death of one's father. The torment of witnessing a protracted - dignity robbing - illness must be exponentially more difficult to bear. We're talking about [ilife-changing[/i events here that can completely remodel a person's psychological landscape. Perhaps he no longer felt as driven as he used to (it's no co-incidence that many scientists do their best research when they're between the ages of 20 and 30, when life appears less complicated and the only priority is their work). Or perhaps he simply fell out of love with the game.'"
Quite simply one of the best, most rounded and well considered posts I've ever read on here. As for the '40 winks post'. I have an 8 year old who'd be willing to discuss things with you if you find adult conversation a little difficult. |
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| Without a doubt Mason ruined Fielden...before the incident every1 was frightened of him, that one punch gave every one belief that they can have a pop at him......clearly been ineffective since. It knocked his confidence and players didnt back away from him, simple as. As with Graham, there is no taking this lad off...if he feels he can do it, then let him. I think he is just a unique player with a huge stamina rate (like that of Palea'aesina  ). He will know when he needs a rest... |
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| Quote ="Sageith's Men"Without a doubt Mason ruined Fielden...before the incident every1 was frightened of him, that one punch gave every one belief that they can have a pop at him......clearly been ineffective since. '"
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| Quote ="willowred"You guys are going to ruin this kid, playing him far too long and giving him too much of a workload, he needs to be spelled to get the best out of him and preserve his obvious world class talent'"
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