Truth hurts doesn't it?

no not as much as my sides do from the constant belly laughes that saints fans serve up on a daily basis!

carlos post was born out of total bitterness! and totally misses the point that it doesn't matter if they are average players because they are part of a team where they all have a role! success or failure doesnt come from a few individuals but from a united effort(or lack of it for the latter)

What has the Grand Final to do with the performance of Danny Maguire in an international game against Australia? Thats right -absolutely nothing.

For what its worth, part of the problem as far as i could tell, which caused England major problems in the first half, came from the fact there were 2 stand offs and both were playing stand off. Tomkins appeared to place himself in the same position he plays at Wigan during the first half, and that of course had a knock on effect on Maguire. It was undoubtedly inexperience on Tomkins behalf, although there can be no doubt that Tomkins improved in the 2nd half, whereas Maguire just seemed to go from bad to worse.

Its amazing how "bitter" all Saints fans are supposed to be, and yet the Leeds fans try to convince themselves that the 'cheering' when Maguire came off is because of a player returning and not Maguire going off. At the end of the day, Danny Maguire may have played brilliantly in the Grand Final, but it counts for nothing after his performance in an England shirt against Australia. The same has been said about Sean Long for years.

Different players, different coach, different scapegoat, same result.

That's very bitter.



For bitter, see 'true'.

I'm a Leeds fan but i have to agree with this. Bigger worry is centres...just who have we got ?? Smith is a good full back (or winger) and should start at full back but never as an international centre. Shenton is simply not good enough. Bring back Keef !

Ooorrrr didums

Have to agree with this... profundity

Some of the Leeds lot are so funny. They are getting their knickers in a twist because one of their precious Champions turns out to be a dud at international level. Bless.

So you still believe that playing two stand offs in the halves against Australia is a good idea?

I said it a week ago and the justification was there for all to see, it's a headless chicken combination.

Eastmond and Tomkins at 6 and 7 next week. Myler on bench.

Maguire hasnt delivered in 2 games now.

Myler on the bench is a waste, he can't play any other position other than scrum half.

Agreed. I would go with Sinfield at hooker and Roby on the bench, we'll need a big pack against NZ.

6 Tomkins
7-Eastmond
9-Sinfield
13-Roby

Is how i'd line up with Chris Bridge taking a place on the bench as a utility.

world cup semi final? So he has done it at this level! After that people wernt slagging mags! You were all hidden in you holes waiting for him to have a poor game and then the knives were out!

what's funny is how quick people jump in line on these forums! the sinfield slagging off has stopped because had a pretty good half against the Aussies! Now mcguire I'd the hate figure ans isn't good enough!

you are a bunch of jokers! how quick you are to stick the knife in! billy slater gifted the world cup to kiwis! does this mean his not up to it? No! It just means even golden boot winners have poor games

McGuire was terrible. You cannot reward that kind of performance with a shirt for the next game.

Sinfield was better at 9 than 13. McGuire wasn't that good in the semi final of the world cup either.

Billy Slater made one mistake in a career of good performances at International level. The exact opposite of McGuire really, I can't see why you're using him as a comparison.

The point is a bad game does not need to be followed by a witch hunt from the pitch folk army

Mcguire was the best player on the pitch in the world cup semi! sterlo, wally and gus were most impressed in their post match! even benji said he thought said he didn't deserve to be on the losing side

How is Danny anyway, Mrs. McGuire? You pack his vest for him? Getting nippy out.

Yeah yeah! I've heard this all before! I'm open about the fact mags is my favourit player! one of my little rl anecdotes is when me and the lads were sat with a bloke at the Leeds hudds game away and I was waxing lyrical about how Good mcguire is and how he always comes in for flack from the idiots, my mates were ribbing me about how much I love him the bloke we were sat with was just laughing, we had a bit of a chat and he was a nice fella! Turned out it was dannys dad!





mcguire has proved himself at every level! a bad game or a dip in form doesn't stop him been a great player! As much as you lot wish it would it doesn't

I know people need a hate figure as sinfield has shut the idiots up for at least a week until he doesnt sh*t a miracle against the kiwis and then you lot can go back to the constant rant about how he's not good enough!

the motivation for these rants is all too clear and perfectly pointed out by G1 on the Leeds board

Danny is poor at International level, why ? Because we simly dont make the braeks that Leeds do at Super league level.

Danny is and always will be a support player, he hasent got a good passing or kicking game.

Check the stats,you'll find you way wide of the mark but don't let that get in the way of a good old rant eh????

nice to see a leeds player getting slated, last year wello was crucified after the aus tour. danny was s---e end of story.

Playing the role he played on Saturday he simply isn't good enough. He isn't a creative half back, he isn't an organiser or a primary kicker. Him and Tomkins together = disaster. One of them has to go and based on Saturday that means McGuire shouldn't play, no matter how much you love him.

Stats might tell you that he does pass and kick it. They don't tell you whether or not they are effectual.

For years, Danny McGuire has been the single most over rated player in the game. He offers little in the way of creativity and gets virtually all of his good press by hanging about on the shoulders of other players and sniffing out tries.

Danny McGuire has been fortunate enough to play in one of the best teams of the modern era. Had he played for a lesser side such as Wigan or Warrington, he would have sunk without trace long ago.

how he got included and burrow didn't is a mystery to me.
thank god england have decent 6 in tompkins as pryce and mcguire arent good enough imo