I like your positive attitude CM, you even tried to make out that the open concourses were genius and far better than the enclosed ones, but whilst you state it is far superior to sunken turnstiles, that is simply your opinion, the fact is that some people think it looks awful.

The reason that turnstiles are usually sunken into the stands is because it looks 'right', not sure why you call that shameful.

Agree about the 28 days later guys, they do some fascinating stuff, including these photos, even if they were a touch naughty!

Not sure he was meaning it literally! Using it figuratively created quite an interesting image. I'm sure CM is an artist, closet or otherwise, what with his superb photos and his creative writing. I don't agree with him myself. I think they just look unfinished, and I mean that literally! Above the turnstiles might have been a good place to put the badge, against a suitably coloured metal background.

To think, though, the original plan was to keep it as it is now and not to clad it. There is nothing appealing, literally or otherwise, to 75% of the outside of the stadium building at the moment. It just looks, well, unfinished. Once the cladding is on it will look a whole lot better.

It looks fine. The turnstiles will have metal shutters so aren't a problem. The cladding will be done, so again, will not be a problem.

Although it's been handed over by the builders, there is still a lot of work to be done. It's like when you buy a new house and the builders have left you with a waist high fence in the back garden and no flooring.

You say this but on the original walkthrough the stadium was clad, and the line from Saints was that it would be clad by the start of the new season.

And no one said anything different at the club, its just people on message boards making stuff up that is the problem, personally, i've no idea but that was always the party line.

Those idiots who took the pictures could have damaged newly laid floors in every room they visited.

Surely that's not the turnstiles finished? What's the use of building a 16 foot high wall then putting in a 6foot 6in high doorway open at the top?

I think the CM mentioned roller shutter to go on yet.

I would imagine there will be some form of perspex/glass/mesh enclosure. I really can't see it being possible to reach over and grab the turnstile operative.

I can't speak for anyone else, but what I put on here a few pages back is how it's panned out. So I know that the people at the forum were telling me the situation as it then was rather than how it was when we looked at the walk through presentation.

Didn't they have to change it following concerns about wind resistance? Building projects on that scale change as they go on. Problems and issues arise and compromises are reached.

Quote ="Sadfish"I think the CM mentioned roller shutter to go on yet.'" viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2150 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2170 His own pictures suggest the shutters are actually inbuilt just not required at present

Quote ="Sadfish"I think the CM mentioned roller shutter to go on yet.'" viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2150 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2170 His own pictures suggest the shutters are actually inbuilt just not required at present

Quote ="Chris Saint"viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2150 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2170 His own pictures suggest the shutters are actually inbuilt just not required at present'" Ah yes you can see them there.

Quote ="Chris Saint"viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2150 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=385845&start=2170 His own pictures suggest the shutters are actually inbuilt just not required at present'" Ah yes you can see them there.

This is what I was originally told back in mid August (from my post dated 16 August):

I watched some NFL at the weekend. One thing that appeals on that is the colour.

Why can't we have the ingoals painted like they do? Looks amazing. And have the white lines painted really thick and bold. I read online that they paint the markings on the NRL pitches as it makes the players appear faster on the TV because you've got the lines fizzing by.

Get it done...

We used to have ingoals all painted up.

Would Wello look faster with them NRL markings

Oh don't start Saddened! on Wello! Please!

Yeah it made viewing of a grounded ball hard, especially from little kick throughs.

Bad Idea

your somewhat wrong re the open concourses claim. I never said they were genius, just that on a pleasant summers day it would be better than a stifling concrete box, or words to that effect.

I did say the following though

"It also means fans in the West and East will have a reasonable amount of weather protection. A four meter high wall will pretty much protect you from wind and rain when combined with the large roof overhang. Certainly when i was there last week when it was chucking it down, all the concourses were dry.
This would certainly not be the case if we just had a fence around the edge of the ground."

Now this was based on what i had seen in summer. However having spoken to builders/security guards in September/October when the weather was worsening they confirmed that the concourses, particular the West stand concourses were getting very wet under heavy rain and wind. Clearly i was wrong and the concourses needed more protection.

The club have therefore themselves identified this and come up with an innovative solution re the perforated cladding. This in itself may prove to be a great move or just window dressing that wont really solve the weather protection issue.

With regard to Turnstiles, it seems purely a British thing to hide them away. In other countries they make features of them.

Stade Gilbert Brutus has a very impressive entrance



San Siro, less so but still a feature



The USA in particular likes to impress people as they enter a palace of sport.

They all look like shopping centre entrances though

and why would shopping centres opt for grand entrances?

Couple of things. Firstly, on your concourses point earlier in the therad, I actually agreed with you about it potentially being a pleasant experience.

My main issue is that when you praise something on this ground, you then often feel the need to criticise other grounds, as though this is a revolutionary build and that even things that don't necessarily look great are much better than other grounds. IIRC you have criticised enclosed concourses and enclosed turnstiles in this way, when in fact I expect they are built like this in this country due to the weather!

On the many examples of grounds you highlight, well you look to have selected the main entrances of most, and the couple you haven't look pretty terrible.

I feel that picking US stadia for comparison isn't a great source either.

Looks very good from the air..

It looks even better now as the cranes have gone and the landscaping has all been finished.

How often do they update the aerial photos?