We need a leader of some sort . Wello is just an arm waver and Roby seems too quiet. Is Walsh a leader? I'd hope so being a proper 7 ..

I hate this overly simplistic view that I keep reading, that conveniently ignores the part where Brown took over a side that finished 10th the previous year and built them into the team you see today.

He also took the team through its teething pains - you can bet that there is a desire in the squad to avoid living through a mid season slump again - that motivation for the players may come as much from the pain of suffering it before as it does from a change of coach. Similar to the old having to lose a final before winning one, perhaps the young and/or inexperienced Hudds players had to slip away from a strong position before knowing what it takes to stay there - this was not a club with a recent culture of anything resembling success.

I'm not saying Brown is the answer, but to suggest he's a dud based on how Hudds are going this year is daft. Indeed - I suspect Anderson will at best replicate Brown's 2010 season of 3rd and CC Final.

That's not to say you can't judge him on a very poor season with Saints - you can IMO - but this comparison with Hudds (a young side on the up) and Saints (an old side on the slide coping with a glut of injuries) is a bit daft I reckon.

One other consideration is that we have been dull as dishwater to watch most of the time for the last 5 or 6 years. Brown's teams ( Hudds & St George ) played rugby which was pleasing to the eye. We have a group of players who don't know how to play "[uThe Saints Way[/u" , and to bring that philosophy back will take time and patience.

To all Saints fans out there [u[size=150=#FF0000TIME AND PATIENCE[/size[/u.

Two more props and a stand off and we should be a decent team, thats whats been missing as we know all this season, so that should be a priority before anything else.

Secondary we need to play as a team with the right attitude this is what has made us the worst saints team for 30 years.

I said early this season clubs will struggle getting proven quality players and we have hit this scenario first, Warrington for instance will lose half a team shortly with players in the 30+ agegroup. Only the Wigoons look healthy with good young players with the help of a good structure.

For Saints, we must find our own development structure to accelerate the like of Percival, Charnock, Swift, Thompson, Yates etc into class players to the standard
requirement needed for success.

We have given time and patience for 5 years plus now.

We've been to grand finals for most of those 5 years.

Valid point but we didn't bring home any silverware did we????

Time and patience is all well and good, but just because the chairman declares we are rebuilding a team does not mean we have to endure the standard of performance put in by Saints on Friday - and that wasn't the first time we have had to endure such dross this season either. The team we field at present achieved third last season. Therefore, we should expect it to be competing towards that end of the table this season too, not making 22 errors in one match and gifting 8 points to the opposition through conceding penalties. Taking fans for granted this season is not the way to invest in next season. We have still had to pay to watch the team this season and so have every right to expect top effort from the team each week.

Yes... in [iyour[/i opinion...



Here we go with that barmy, pathetic, loony argument =#FF0000yet again that because we don't have players of the class of Long, Scully, Newlove, Lyon, KC, Iro, Goulding anymore then we've declined and can't/won't compete... Those players [idon't ****ing well exist[/i in the British game anymore....



In real comparative terms our squad in pure personnel terms is not all that far off being as strong as anybody else's in the league, and not far off being as good as it's been at most other points during the last 15 years. None of the other teams in the league have Longys, Gouldings or Newloves either by the way in case you hadn't noticed...

...and on what single occasion have I ever said that Brown is doing a great job and is the answer? Our personnel is not far off being where it needs to be, but enormous question marks still need to be answered over our coaching. We've not had a really good coach in 5 years now and that's been where our problems have been, not in this perceived "ambition" and "poor recruitment" BS (coaches aside). I'm as concerned as anyone else is over how half-baked we're looking at the moment (although it's still early days in his tenure as yet) - tell me when on any occasion I've said otherwise....

If you bothered to read my post you would see that I was referring to Brown changing the style of play from the crap we have had to put up with for 5 years, back to the SAINTS WAY.


Please keep up!!!!!

You've got a screw loose mate. You just totally lose the plot. No wonder your a laughing stock on other teams forums with crazy comments like we've got the best pack in super league









Anyone with half of brain knows we can never replicate the teams of the likes of longy, Lyon, scully, KC etc but we should have replaced them at the time we the best quality we could at the time.

Who replaced the following players ?

Longy -

Scully -

Graham -

Gidley -

Talau -

The are others but can't be bothered listing

We can all debate about not replacing past legends, poor judgement of recruitment etc. But it goes much deeper than that we are a lazy, indiscipline team out of condition with a terrible attitude.

It makes you wonder what coaching staff Brown has got around him, KC may be a legend but I can,t see what benefit he has on the team, similarly our conditioner what effect does he have on players performance as most of the time we are very lethargic and unfit.

Since we left Knowsley Road we seemed to have left the fighting spirit behind. Our basic errors and non completions must be the highest to date in superleague.

If all of the above was addressed I,m sure we would have won 2 or 3 more games more this season, even with the player personnel we have at the moment.

Can anybody remember if we have played one game this season for the full 80 mins with commitment, desire etc. I can,t.

Warrington and Leeds away

First 20 minutes away at Leeds we were abysmal...

I thought we were abysmal for 10 to 15 minutes in the Warrington game as well.

Probably. They certainly were in the last round (according to the Stats Pack show on Sky anyway).


I don't think anyone at the club cares about this season. Just look at the chairman's statement. It's about next season. I don't think anyone ever intended to do much this season.


I can't either. It's been one level of dross or another all season.

Answers in red, my clueless one-dimensionally agenda'ed kneejerk friend.

Your an angry man.

Longy was replaced by Eastmond who like you say was an amazing prospect - shame we didnt sort out his contract [ibefore[/i getting rid of every other decent halfback at the club. Some amazing strategy at work there.

Scully was a beast but I suspect we thought we'd replaced him with Wilkin - sadly thats a massive downgrade. Nearest thing to Scully is probably Westerman

Graham - well we replaced him with a second row - not exactly a great plan. The fact he's played for Aus in the back row hardly qualify's him to replace one of the worlds best props

Gidley - I suspect most people would agree we did ok here , Shenton didnt hit the heights but on the face f it was a sound signing.

Talau - for me this was the start of the rot - Gilmour was a second row who could provide cover in other positions, using him as a replacement and claiming there was nothing else out there is just plain cost cutting stupidity.

That's what wading through plebs does to you unfortunately.


...and of course you'dve preferred it at the time if we'd let him go to Warrington and kept Smith instead? This board wouldn't have melted with bile from the agenda'ed "ambition" brigade then and would have been full of "great move Saints" posts instead wouldn't it? ****ing unbelievable...




Anything is a downgrade on Scully. TP and Wilkin have been about as good at filling the role (some of their terrible injuries aside, particularly Wilkin's) as we could have found under the circumstances.


We've done the "who realistically could/should we have signed to replace Talau at the time worth the money" thing many, many, many, many times before. Noone has ever yet come up with a name we could and should have signed at the time that would have been as good as just moving Gilmour out there. Noone. Feel free to make your own suggestions though and we'll go 'round the whole sorry roundabout again shall we?

Nobody's saying our signings have all been fantastic or the right moves. All that is at question is our supposed "ambition" and desire to compete. In the last 3 years we've signed 2 Aussie international forwards, a world-cup winning fullback, GB's first-choice centre, resigned Robes, TP and Sia despite big offers from elsewhere, offered as much money as a rich RU club to keep Eastmond etc. etc. etc. There is no lack of "ambition" there whether numpties like it or not. You can question the wiseness and common sense of some of the decisions (Hohaia was a brainfart from the very start) - you can't question the "ambition".

It is possible to post replies to others comments, without name calling.

The hint of the use of the word Plebs was enough to get a chief whip kicked out of office.

Lets keep it civil, there is no need for the use of name calling, it's always the last resort of a a desperate debater.

To be fair Pleb is a contraction of Plebites who were the common citizens of Rome. At worst he's called them Common Romans.

Whilst it is a roman word, it has for years been used as an insult, just the same as a scally, scroat etc.

It was a word used by the privileged classes about the people from the lower social classes. So hardly a compliment.

The point still stands there is no harm in being civil when making your point. It's just common courtesy.

In the end when a thread breaks down into trading insults, the point is lost. And it become a keyboard warrior attempt to try and get as far as they can before the filter, mods or others have to get involved.

I'd rather just remind people that you can debate without insults, regardless of the level permitted.

Your a total idiot and a laughing stock on most of the boards but I find you funny.


Why don't you call me a pleb to my face? Saints next home game will be nice for you to do it. Name your time and place and I'll see you there. If I was you, I'd meet after the game or you'll not be able to see it.

And so another thread is ended.

I hate it when I end up having to do this.