Mr Phil would be a free scoring winger outside Gidley.

Now, let's not go overboard mate.

Gidley makes the trys but Gardner still has to finish them.

Nobody is knocking Gidleys role as a provider but I bet Ade must have been relieved then when we signed Gidley, so that Ade could at last score his first ever try. Wonder why he ever bothered before that?



Whose got a better GB winger, then?

Let's not overlook the fact that Gardner is, these days, an outstanding finisher.

He certainly is. He's a very solid winger, one of the best in this country for sure. Although I reckon I could score half the tries he get's put on a plate for him.

He is the best GB winger. He is a great finisher and has become confortable dealing with kicks. The only thing is, I would like to see him score a few more long range tries.

Correct. He ran past me down the tunnel, no injury. Was followed by an RFL official, no pyhsio went with him. He came out less than 5 later and went straight back to the touch line to warm up. My best guess is he needed a tom tit.

Even i would! Buggered knee and all!

Too far.
The line was there but you just crossed it

Terry doesn't see lines Ande, just falling green numbers!

No 1 saints fan give your head a shake FFS, next you will be telling us Wellens is the best full back in the game.

Ok, name a better GB winger than Gardner.

Smith

I disagree. I aint no Gardner fan either.

Fox and Raynor.

Fox, potentially

Raynor, no

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Going on those stats which can be misleading, I'd take Raynor.

Raynor is great at running sideways, however he is weak at dealing with bombs.

His try scoring exploits are also poor.

Gardner compares much more favourably with Raynor in 2008 though.

Raynor is good out of dummy half, but Gardner is better in the other important aspects of wing play, I'd say.

Gardner is the more solid winger, but I'd say Raynor is the more exciting, strike player of the two.

Raynor isnt actually too bad under the bomb, his problem is he's not very tall so he tends to get out jumped. He has far more carries and tackle busts than Gardner, probably the highest in the league. As for tries, the major difference is the centres they play out side. Gardner has had the luxury of playing outside world class centres for the majority of his Sts career, a lot of his tries are walk ins. Its no coincidence that Raynors best try scoring seasons have been when Yeaman has been on form, unfortunately Yeaman hasn't played consistently well for 2 years.

That has certainly helped Gardner, but he is also a top class finisher in his own right. He scores tries from close range in situations where most wingers would end up getting knocked into the stand.

I agree about 2008 but Hull as a team were poor, partly due to injuries. Raynor didnt have a settled centre partner all year. Saying that he still had far more tackle busts and offloads than Gardner. I would read into the stats that Raynor tends to create more chances for himself and his team, Gardner is more of a finisher, just depends which type of player you like.