I can't believe what I'm about to do... I'm going to stick up for Long. >cough, splutter<

He took a huge head blow early on and came considerably worse off. He was clearly dazed and confused, the look on his face was almost "Did anyone get the number of that bus?"

He needed to be taken off and allowed to recover rather than left on the field. He looked groggy and tired, a head shot takes it out of you. The body's recovery process from a shaken brain is TIRING, basic sports science. He should have taken time to let his body do the hard recovery on the sidelines, then come back out.

Whose fault's that? Your coach perhaps? Your fitness staff? Long himself? In his state, the decision should have been made for him.

I hardly ever come on here, but this was the first thread I clicked on and the third post in gives me reason to



Thankyou. I don't need to check out anything else & I'm back over to cherry & white

I agree it wasn't just long who was pi$$ poor but i'm gettin very worried bout his form.

I hate to say it but I think he is finished.

His passing, defence, kicking at the moment looks pretty poor.

I just hope he avin a run of poor form.

I thought you all looked knackered.
Could there be a virus in the camp?

Glad she finally found something to make her happy

Dear oh dear how fickle !!!

What - not even on your wedding night?

Graham looked like a kid lost every time time he took the ball in he got hammerd and the rest of the time he just passed to avoid getting hit.

As for long he look's very old now but was still your best player on the day

Wrong. Saints weren't ALLOWED to play.

Is it really beyond a sintelliner to give Wigan ANY credit?

There was a point when we actually started making moves from deep and utilising dummy runners, and made good yards from it.

Then we lost our heads again and went to one up man ship.

Wigan deserve credit for a great win, but to state it was all because Wigan played amazing is as daft as to state it was because Saints were awful on the day. The truth is somewhere in the middle of the two.

As Ski said though its a mixture of two. There is no denying that Wigan were the best team on the day and fully deserved the win but you also can't deny that Saints performance was a long way under par to what is generally on display.

Just another weekly round game for us it was quite simply the goons cup final hence had a wigoon win stamped all over it. Lets see who's winning the trophies come the end of the season.

No, many have given you credit, but Saints were shocking, and didn't look to be putting any effort into the game at all. Thats how i saw it anyway. I didn't think Wigan were particulary outstanding, they were good yeah, but Saints were shocking.

Best Wigoon performance in Noble's tenure for mine they were outstanding.

Haaa, I was waiting for this pathetic excuse of a comment.

No, it wasn't our cup final. It was a league game for us as well.

If you want to console yourself, go and ask your mum for a hug.

Your players prepared for it like a cup final and the fans celebrated it like they'd won a cup final.

We used to.

Wigans 10 year transition period is over mates!

No, our players prepared for a tough match against tough opposition. We celebrated as any set of supporters who expected to lose, but instead kicked the opposition's backsides all the way back to Merseyside, would.

Of course it helps that it's you we beat. Both teams are always delighted to get one over the other. You would have done the same 10 years ago. In fact I dare say that most of your fellow supporters did.

Like I said, we did.

And like my thread said, is was refreshing to see how much it meant to Wigan fans. All those Saints fans commenting on how they celebrated like it was a cup final obviously never felt like beating Wigan was winning a cup final. I think you will accept that if you hadn't had the glory of 15/20 years ago, it would be as good as a cup final to beat a successful Saints side.

It was the worse St Helens performance I have ever seen. I was wondering I as going to see St Helens niled at one point.

One other thing, did Saints lose a centre to injury?, because I couldnt work out why from the mid point of the 1st half, Wellens went to Centre and Eastmond went to fullback?.

I think we pushed Gilly into the second row to try and help stem the flow, it failed.

for the second time is as many weeks our pack has been not bullied but certainly dominated, i dont think there has been a lack of effort on anyones part to be fair, i just think because we're being dominated in the forwards its leading to long pryce etc panicing somewhat leading to the wrong decisions being made ending up with being caught in possession on the last,

however they are not excuses they are imo what has happened, why our senior players like long and pryce haven't been standing up and using that experience we talk about to get us out of these situations is another question and if we all knew the answer to that question we would be getting paid alot of money for provididng the solution.

as for the comment regarding lack of effort, i dont think thats the case at all as those who have played or are playing know if you go onto a pitch and show no effort you get hurt so this for me is absolute rubbish. all teams even champions have mid season lul's if you think of the premiership it normally happens to teams around crimbo, hopefully this is our lul, and its coming at the right time so we can forge a great run towards the business end

In defence of Pryce I thought he was one of the few that played well and didn't go hiding as he has done in the past. Not condoning what he did but given all the problems that have been hanging over him this past couple of months I think he has given a lot to the team effort.

i think the team as a whole played badly due to a number of things, pryce handled his situation well (like i said originally i question no ones effort on a pitch) but it just wasnt saints day, 1-17 were poor decision making with ball in hand a particular factor