I think Saints are still in with a shout for OT. No team seems to be running away with it this season as all of the top teams have had poor games every so often. This was one of yours and no doubt you'll bounce back. If you could just wait until after next week to improve, that would be much appreciated.

It's all a big conspiracy.

It's quality coaching and defense. A lot of it is borderline but if the ref allows it then there is no need to stop. I just wonder why Saints don't try it.

theres 2 that bit..but the truth of tonite is you are not good enough..wigan did`nt have to do a great deal to beat you..no doubt you`ll make excuses about your injuries or your favourite the ref..bring back agent silverwood for next week

Fair enough, it's just when you said I thought you was having a a massive whinge.

I was. It's not nice watching your side being tactically destroyed. I think the ref should have been stronger but I don't blame Wigan for the tactics.

I don't like the rule of extra time at the ruck when more men are involved in the tackle, but I don't understand why we don't do it ourselves if that's the way the rules are currently enforced. The speed of the ruck wins games at the end of the day, control it and you're on the front foot. It's ugly to watch but it works.

Theres nothing wrong with it, and its great defence, like saddened says, the real question is why dont we do it?

It was not so much he goons gang tackling and laying on, it was the goons moving up quickly in our faces for best part of an hour which limited our momentum to around 4 metres per play. We were soft and loose in the tackle and allowed them to make 10 metres per play. Coley had a field day making ground.
Once again we let the opposition get the upper hand at the start of the game and play catch up football, no excuses with injuries, our executions and plays were poor.

Because we arent as fit as a freak Wigan side.

We get battered in the tackle and we dont have the energy to do it back, see our "go forward" through that game compared to the Wigan side. Maybe it is a mentality too?

But you see this is rubbish. We did it at the Magic weekend; we did it at the DW.

It's got nothing to do with our tackling style versus theirs. It's got everything to do with our lack of desire versus their utter determination. But even when that ran out, in the second half, we had lots of try scoring chances that we bombed through our inability to keep hold of the bloody ball. That is what is so galling. Losing at the DW hurt like hell but man did we fight! We never gave up! Tonight was just annoying and embarrassing and I refused to even acknowledge the players I was so mad at their bad attitude.

1. Do you know where ot is?
2. At least our nearest rivals are not salford.

Hahahaha

Didn't you watch the game? Saints do and did use the same tacking techniques as Wigan, the difference was really down to the ease with which Wigan made yards, completed sets and completed sets well.

I tend to agree, I thought Graham started to lose it very early and Wellens is a shadow of his former self. With the Wigan pack making sure that Wilkinson was targeted and Roby not getting a look in the core of the team were disrupted too much and Saints never got the chance to fight back.

You're spot on except it's Wilkin (

). We were hammered by Wigan's pack, this along with the slow PTB's which were forced on us meant Roby couldn't get going. This in turn meant that Gaskell and Lomax hardly touched the ball.

You'd have been forgiven for thinking Roby hadn't been picked. Whether it was our tactics or your mistakes which disrupted his involvement, I think it has to be a major factor in the end result.

Saints were trained by a wrestling coach to slow the tackle down, nothing said then! not that I approve any methods!

There was little difference in the amount of time that Wigoon or us were lying on the PTB. The difference came in that more often than not Wigoon tackled the ball carrier and put him on his back which was something we struggled to do either because we don't how to be more effective at it or because of Wigoon's running style. The fact that we appear not be able to either get them on their backs or ensure that we don't get turned onto our backs is a coaching issue. Simmons needs to tackle that now because without it we are not going to Old Trafford. At the moment we are comfortably in the second tier of teams below Wire, Hudds and Wigoon. We might be at the top of that second tier but our defence is significantly weaker than any of those three.

Excuses eh, brilliant. Havnt beaten us in the last 4, the worm has turned people, the worm has turned.

Wigan get more numbers into the tackle. We need to copy that. Most times last night they would stop the runner with two in the tackle. Once they stopped him another one would put a hit on the ball carrier often making a direct play at the ball. They then peel off one by one after the move shout. If you were to time the delay between contact and the resulting play the ball I reckon it would be around twice as long. Saints are too disciplined at the moment. We have conceded significantly less penalties than any other side in Super League and it's costing us as we are not strong enough to cope with it defensively.

Have you even bothered to read the thread? Most of the posts are complimenting Wigan and how Saints should be doing the same thing.

Saints use fewer players in the tackle but employ the flop to slow down the play the ball which they get away with. Oh yee of one sided vision!

But, you did it for years, I suggest you dig out some old' tapes' of Chris Joynt in action.

There are still a fair few games to be played. This was always going to be the most difficult 3 weeks of our season. Exiles, Bradford 2 days later, Wigan and Warrington.

If if we beat Warrington, that's 3 points out of 6. Personally I thought we should have been aiming for 4 from this period, but I can live with 3. 1 would be a very poor effort IMHO.

Last night we were out played. But we were far from out played at the Pie dome. It's that old story of consistency for English RL teams. The difference between the 2 games was very little for Wigan. For Saints the difference was massive. Our forwards just did not put in the energy and drive that they did at the DW.

The 2nd half it actually took the backs to try stuff before the forwards actually started to make in roads. All in all a bad night, but luckly for us there are plenty of chances to put it right and with the league being a cup comp at the end, consistency is no longer required to make a good season into a great season.

I still think we are having a good season and I'm not ready to go OTT over a poor game like yesterday.

Puletua is still the guy we where all begging to stay 2 months ago
Graham is still the guy who we where all desperate not to lose (and the only forward to punch through the exiles)
Roby is still the machine who has had an awesome season
Soliola is still the guy who puts in big hits and has tightened up his line defence
Wilkin is still the guy who has been assisting Lomax and Gaskell to control games

So the pack has an off day, in June. September is a long way off to get those things right.

We've had 4 years of off days in October in recent years, let just chill a bit.