Fine, but why did you have to mention Leuleuai? He's effing terrible, plays for a sh yte mid table side and his nation is queueing at Manchester Airport as we speak.

Because he has been better than scooter Roby in this series.

Personallly i*m just glad to that we have made the final,which i would thought after the debacle of the 1st half v Aus last week was impossible...Let*s just enjoy the moment,...And thought all the front rowers were great tonight....

Leuluai was rubbish today. The kiwis was a better team with luke on the field.

IMO sinfield was very good at 9. He run the show as our halfbacks was missing most of the game due too there age and not playing at that level.

He was better than Roby and has been throughout the series.

Take your Saints specs off.

The scooter is dead. Thank God.

Shame for you that we have Keiron Cunningham and Scott Moore there in case he doesn't go that well at loose forward eh?

I agree leuleuai is rubbish!

He's never lived up to it and is was of the reasons his club side is a mid table side.

You mean he did against a France 2nd team?

Is mid table third?
One position behind Saints, and a World Cup Winner?

3rd????

I said you was mid table side which you are.

Check the super league table.

Check the end of season table, after the play offs when the money is handed out.

You finished mid table in the super league table which is over 28 rounds!

You finished 3rd in the comp.

Have you got a link to these play off tables your banging on about?

I've never known a idiot so anti saints as you.

At the end of the day why don't you go on wildcats site or catalans site and bag them as that's wigans level of team.

Lets Leeds and saints bag each other but come on, you ain't at our level.

Correct.
Go to bed, you've won first prize.

Did Saints win the Grand final final in 2007 or 2008?
Did it matter if they finished top?

This debate is really about the scooter hooker isn't it.
Leuluai started all three games for the Kiwis.

Roby started once for England and got demoted.

He's another Mickey Higham.

Will he start before the fat boy next season, or will Scott Moore start?
Sorry the thread has got derailed into a Wigan v saints thing but I do believe that Roby was poor (again) tonight.

Anyway you try and dress it, you finished mid table in the only table the is which is super league.

Now go and put your Wigan PJS on, have hot milky drink from your Wigan mug, take your Wigan slippers off and get in your bed with your Wigan duvet on.

You can dream about the days when Wigan was a team that was important and took part in important games.

A pairing...???

I wasnt overly impressed with either to be honest (nor have i been with Myler before anyone thinks its an Anti other clubs players thing)

I thought Tomkins worked hard and was infectious with his hard defensive work but I didnt see any creativity, and this sidewiding run and skip thing he does is now a touch predictable as well as ineffective.
Eastmond looks to have a bit more quality about his game, but didnt get involved enough for me....neither player strikes me as the kind to take a game by the scruff of the neck.

that said I thought James Graham played his best game for the National side by some distance and Sinfield looked a class act, he reminded me of Cantebury bulldogs Hooker Michael Innis an excellent display.

they'll still get mullered in the final by the way

I agree with all that biscuit

Thought Sinfield was good when at hooker but when moved out of that position i thought he stopped the ball movement to the likes of Eastmond and Tomkins, as a result their effectiveness declined.

Re Roby scooting. He was excellent and his runs helped to get England out of trouble from deep in their own half, during a period when the kiwis were asserting themselves.

Thought Briscoe was appaling at fullback.
His postitional sense was very poor and he was very hesitant fielding the ball
Bridge was reasonably solid but a penalty machine in defence.

As per the World Cup final, NZ looked far better when Luke was at dummy half than when Leuluai was there.

Against the Aussies he was our best defender. He made the most tackles of anyone on the pitch, 32 it said in League Express, which was twice what Tomkins made. But I not calling Tomkins he played well. I merely pointing out you haven't got a clue.

Rogues is a top class grade 1 Wigan idiot! He comes on here posting rubbish about saints everyday when his team is a poor mid table side.

I could understand if Wigan was fighting it out with saints and Leeds to finish top but they are mid table side with a poor side full of 2nd rate overseas players.

If anything he should be on catalans, wildcats or the tigers site as that's the level of team Wigan are these days.

He's bagging roby and calling KC fat when lulu is rubbish and there hooker goes by the name of piggy!

If you want a defending hooker then fine, but that isn't good enough on the International stage. You need more than that which Sinfield has proven to be more effective than Roby in attack. It doesn't say much for current hookers in this country does it when a stand in hooker proves to be better than a hooker who plays in that position week in week out.

You want a defending hooker when you have great big aggressive blokes pounding at your line. Not only that but Roby's passes were 100% better last night than the previous week. I watched the match a second time and looked out for him. He didn't fire a bad pass at any time he was on the pitch and he made yards every time he ran. In fact, I don't think the Kiwis quite knew what hit them with all these scampering 'skinny' guys coming at them!

Oh, and Roby plays an impact hooker at Saints. His presence on the pitch always raises the pace, which is what he is supposed to do. He may want to play the full 80 but he needs to develop his game to do that. He was far, far more effective last night when playing from the bench.

Sinfield at hooker has quite possibly been more about him being given a position from which he can organise the team around the park, a clear role rather than his previous position which is not quite so clear-cut. I don't see why Sinfield's performance should somehow negate Roby's? Roby has always had his own role, which he performed very well last night because he was allowed to play it (as was Sinfield).