Let's just take the coach out of this for a min ( I know you don't rate him and I like him so let's not get into that please) but haven't these players got and pride in themselves? They must know what the fans think of them and Brown has said what he thinks of them and also McManus.

If I was playing, I'd be out to prove a point but these players don't seem to care.

Thompson showed heart and passion and was our best player for that reason.

I've hardly been praising saints either mate lol

God you've been waiting for us to lose haven't you ?

Next Friday should be interesting, both teams taken to the cleaners. Strange Superleague this season for all clubs with Jeckyll and Hyde performances.
Feel sorry for the fans who went over there.

I think we underestimate Wilkins value to the team.

No I don't think I am sticking my head in the sand. All SL teams have off days even the top teams Wigan Warrington and Leeds . They all go through it , so we have had our day hopefully a day the players, coach and back room staff won't forget. Yes it's down to the players to deliver on the park which they did not today but that doesn't mean they have no motivation or desire . I believe it's there but today they were out played by the better team.

The odd thing for me was that in the first half our game plan seemed to be to play around the Catalans pack, taking the ball wide of the ruck at every opportunity, usually despite not having gained a single yard of ground. It was as if we'd accepted defeat in the forward battle before kick off. For the record, trying to avoid a contest with a stronger pack [inever[/i works. You only beat a strong pack by meeting fire with fire.

I think Mose has taken a bit of unfair criticism this season, but he was utter excrement today.

I'm afraid I can't take the coach out of this because to me he's a fundamental part of the problem. He doesn't care so the players don't care. He doesn't prepare them appropriately - look back to his Good Friday pre match (GF was the turning point in our performances, note) - and he messes the team around all the time. Assuming he has game plans, most of them look useless.

As for the players themselves, not enough of them care for it to make a difference. Most notably, not enough of our forwards care. I agree that Thompson does appear to care and as such he stood out and has stood out previously.

Any ground we did make was usually made by our outside backs for f***s sake because Brown consistently asks them to take the ball up first when our forwards should be storming on to a pass and gaining as much ground as possible. Dumb tactics which invite injuries to our backs.

Seemed to me that we know are pack is crap so we just decided to move it wide but we kept dropping it. Let's be honest, when you have Mose and Lms as props and wello and flash in Backrow it's not exactly good.

I think you've just seen the Mose I've seen all year. 11 hit ups in his last two games must be some sort of record. He only did 5 today all game!

That's if your prop can get back to take the drives.

Didnt know that. We could be if we lose tomorrow - but if we win then we will be aiming for Saints in the Play Offs.

Hope so, just hope it's home, I can't be doing with that car park at your place.

You've forgotten then that we've beaten you twice already, once by 38 points to nil. I wouldn't get all smug just because Saints didn't turn up today.

You're bound to make mistakes if you put on shifts without going forward first. If we're struggling to clear our lines we should get to the end of our set, kick deep and do some aggressive defending. Going wide early in the set in our own 20 was only going to end in disaster.

Regarding Mose, I think he's been okay most weeks (no better than that) but he was lame today, no mistake.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post but the fact some are not local doesn't really make any difference in my opinion. There's been many fantastic players over the years who have worn that Saints jersey who have given 100% and they weren't local. It's about personal pride and commitment. It's up to the coach to remind them of that & to motivate them.

That is truly naive!

When have Wigan been nilled by 42 points? Or Leeds? Even Warrington managed to score two tries against us in the first game of the season! And the point I make is that this has become a pattern for us (but not for Wigan, Leeds or Wire). When expectation is on us - on Good Friday, the CC at Leeds and at Magic - we don't turn up. Our attitude stinks and nobody is fixing it.

No not really. I could have appeared after Magic if that was so. Maybe being a Salford fan allows you to keep your feet on the ground but for you (or it might have been Saddened) to suggest you need `a new pack, 2 centres, a 6 and a new coach` etc really beggars belief.

Look you are top of the League - try & accept defeat gracefully and be realistic.

Isn't this the Salford team who's won one game in something like last 9 games? Is this the Salford that spent a fortune on 2nd rate players and in a relegation battle?

They breathed a massive relief that the bulls didn't get points back, that's for sure.

Exactly but even we know our pack is rubbish for us to use those tactics.

Come October I bet most on here will agree with me regarding mose, he's a big soft pudding.

I`m not being smug - I am criticising Saddened & St Pete for not accepting defeat graciously. We will have 4 ex Saints possibly in tomorrow - TP, Meli, Dixon & Ashurst so we'll be up for it.

On another subject - Is Manu on his way out? Back to Hull or looking for a club?

I've not posted that but IMO we need a centre, stand off, two props and two backrows to be up there winning things as we've to many players that are Salford standard and not saints standard.

Well I dont think Turner will be on Marwans Christmas list.

At least he caught a crossfield kick. Unlike everyone else in our team.

It's the performance we are not accepting graciously; not the defeat. We are supposed to be top of the league. Technically we are (although not after Wednesday). A top of the league team should not be conceding 42 points at any time, never mind against a team where we have only been on the losing side once, when we fielded an under 19s team.


I hope he IS on his way out. He's done preciously little for us except drop the ball since he started. But then he's had Brown as his coach so he probably doesn't know from one week to the next which position he's playing.

Who's naive I never said anything about the other teams being nilled I said they have all had their off days. Wigan the other week were torn apart by Cas, Leeds and Warrington have also lost games. Saints are still at the top of the table . We can only learn from this terrible result and move on . No point brining up Good Friday it's gone we lost. Put those loses behind us and move on.

We are top until Wednesday, when Wigan beat Widnes. Then we are third at best, and our points difference is shocking now when compared to others around us. We lose to Cas on Sunday, which I expect us to, and we are fifth I think if others around us win. If Saints don't buck up their ideas by next weekend we could feasibly be out of the play off positions very quickly as there aren't many points between the top eight.