Says the man whose predicted total Wigan dominance (so far unrecorded) for the last ten years based on having "the best youngsters in the competition".





Give it up, old fogey. You're mixing with your betters.

Hmmm .... one of the finest props GB has produced in ages VS a guy who didn't do much in the NRL.

You're pinning a hell of a lot of faith on form being permanent.

And he does big minutes.

Cuthbertson is the stand out player in SL this season.

Fantastic signing for Leeds.

The first barge from Mosoe is entertaining but then you haven't time to boil an egg and he's off.

Re Richards - He is morphing into a bit of pudding . I Noticed the physique combined with mobility
of singleton and yates compared to him. He's not doing himself any favours with the increasing number of
silly mistakes.

I know what I see. Cuthbertson's form has been excellent. But when things were looking dicey, say in the game against Cas when it looked like things could go either way, whilst Cuthbertson was throwing passes anywhere (some going to hand, some going anywhere but) - it was Peacock who steadied the ship allowing Leeds to regroup. It's happened time and time again.

He might not play as many minutes as he used to. But the minutes he plays are absolutely vital.

You only have to look at the above answers.

Leeds could've been portrayed in the previous years as relaying on 3/4 key players to always get them through games but this year is very different. Across the board players are standing up as has been shown with losing three players like Hall, Briscoe and JJB (the latter two had really strong starts to the season).

The old theory that all relied on Peacock/Sinfield/Burrow/McGuire to drag us through has well and truely gone and if you still think that (especially after tonight) then you need to take a closer look. It's 2015 not 2014.....you need to realise that.

Give over. He's not even Leeds' stand-out player.



Richards is nineteen. He won't mature physically for another two or three years. At that point we'll know whether he is a "pudding" or not. In any case - comparisons with Singleton are silly. They do not perform the same function.

I also saw the game we played against Hudds and Peacock was the one throwing stuff around and giving away penalties and Cuthbertson steady the ship on that occasion and has done on a few occasions when he's been reintroduced back onto the field after a breather when it's seemed to go a bit pear shaped in his absence.

It's a few things as Biff alludes to, Aiton has been a revelation out of dummy half and gets Leeds moving, Cuthbertson's offloads have helped create space for our quicker players to exploit, and don't be fooled, he does the hard yards as well as the flashy stuff. Stevie Ward has probably been the best 2nd rower in the comp so far and along with Ablett gives us a serious threat out wide on both edges

I'd agree about Sinfield to be honest, many Leeds fans (I wasn't one of them) thought McGuire would be the half that would make way for Sutcliffe but, McGuire has also been superb, it's a shame he's 32 because he's playing as well as he did in 2010.

So in a nutshell, they've got more pace and grunt in the middle to set the platform for the backs to do their thing.

You are desperately clutching at straws regarding our squad management. JP is retiring at the end of the season. Leeds have already spelled him more than ever this season. We love him, but our succession planning is top notch, and our whole team will not just capitulate next season, no matter how much you want it to.

He's probably in the top 3 this year along with Aiton and Stevie Ward. With Watkins and McGuire adding to a top 5. No Peacock there.

No when we were 6 for 6 I wasn't doubting - because plan A was working and there was no need to change the plan. We're now 1 from 4 and it's not fickle to say that our inability to change from plan A is a source of major concern. Our game plan for the last few games needed to be different from the first couple in the season and it hasn't.

We realistically don't have that major an injury list - were missing 4 realistically, and a couple of back up options - the options we did have didn't play well - that's the much bigger concern here. You can't just blithely hope for no injuries, as every club gets them every year.

While we may not of thrown the towel in like last year, we always came back with a response - I would equate tonight with similar to magic weekend - after the game Wellens made his speech, and there was a general recognition with what was wrong - the same doesn't appear to happen this year,

I don't care if other teams are in poor form. Yes it'll contribute to us staying up there in the recent future, I'd rather worry about our own form...

I'm not talking about any other position than prop. And no player in the Leeds side performs Peacock's function to anything like the same degree.

But I'm happy to wait until next season to be proven right.

I know what he's saying. Even though Peacock is significantly past his best he's still a massive presence on the field and he's a superb leader. He's like a Northern Martin Johnson, even now he'd a huge loss for any side - for his mental approach as much as anything.

We are a little more worse off than you think cause it is actually 1 win in the last 5 now but the consoling thing is that we are still second in the league and only need to finish top 2 to get maximum advantage in getting to old trafford.

That's rubbish and you know it. Lomax, Vea, Greenwood, Percy, Wellens are all injured. Even their replacements are injured (Dawson). Roby has been playing crocked for weeks and looked practically dead on his feet last night. Wilkin has only just returned. Luke Walsh has just come back from major surgery. His half-back partner has only been at the club for a handful of games.

Do I really need to paint this picture for you?



Sticky patches are not solely a result of bad coaching, inferior players etc. Indeed, they are a STATISTICAL CERTAINTY. Did you really expect us to go from six out of six to nine or ten out of six missing the players we have. If so you're living in fantasy land.



You SHOULD be happy about us never throwing the towel in. How many Saints's sides can you honestly say the same about - even during our halcyon days under Millward and even Anderson?

Provided the lads are giving everything I'm happy. Let's wait for the injured players to settle down and allow Burns and Walsh to get some games under the belts.

Providing we have no injuries I'm confident it'll be a second title in a row. Trust your uncle, Geoff.

Well, we'd best just hand you the title right now. There's really no point in the rest of SL turning up. Have you considered re-mortgaging your house and putting it on a Leeds title?

I'm sure you'll make a killing.

So we either win the title next season, or Peacock retiring has heavily weakened us? No middle ground then?

If JP stays injury free, the title must be ours this season then based on that retarded logic.

I sense you are a bit of a WUM so I am going to bow out. Night.

Anyhoo - I can only take so much doom, despair and doubt.

It's like the final days of Jonestown in here right now. Time for me to flee the camp before you all start guzzling the Kool-aid.

I must say, I was very impressed by Stevie Ward tonight. He's a tough little bugger.

useless
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adjective
not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome.
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incompetent, ineffective, worthless, ineffectual, incapable, inept, inadequate, hopeless, weak, bad, no good, Mose Masoe.

Please stop defending this lad. Clare Balding could run it in harder and more often. You've got Jamie Peacock, 37 years old, showing Mose up for the lazy, waste of bench space that he is.

I can tolerate being outclassed (which we was), but I can't be doing with lack of effort. As soon as he starts putting a shift in I'll stop calling him. Forget about injuries, we're playing with 16 players every single week.

I'm gutted about the defeat, but as soon as I saw our back line I knew we were in for a tough night. Makinson should be on the wing, makes no sense to weaken two positions instead of one. Stick an academy kid at full back and let him learn the ropes. Wane isn't afraid to chuck the kids in.

Anyway, fine margins tonight. There's a lot of improvement in us and I'm sure we'll be just fine.

Really? That's exactly what it looked like to me. Our defence was probably the worst I've ever seen.

Mind you I stopped watching before half time and decided to stick hot needles into my eyeballs instead which turned out to be much less painful than watching saints.

Another excuse being made for Mose. Shouldnt a experninced NRL international prop be able to get himself up for the game? Why should KC have to get him up for it ?

It's pretty clear he was one of them kids who was bigger than everyone else growing up and was probably running thru teams all thru his youth. As the other players have grown and improved he still just counts on his size and I imagine year upon year he got worse and worse but got by as he's huge.

He's so overweight and unfit it's embarrassing for a pro. He looks like a big fat pudding of a player.

And we also have Thompson and Sav who are on a learning curve and that's why I keep banging on about us needing a prop NOW!

We can't keep asking walmsley to run himself into the ground like we are doing. As stated Amor is in a dip of form at the moment (still works his socks off) so we are then left with the 8 min wonder in mose and im 100% we can't count on him.

Vea being out puts more pressure on Amor and Walmsley as he puts in a good 80min shift and takes the work load off walmsley and Amor.

I agree about Amor but I thought he had his best game of the season last night.

He did. The thing with amour he still works his socks off and you knock him for that. The effort and heart is always there but we need another prop and need him now.