No no no you can't chastise saints fans for including fringe players in an injury list, and at the same time include players like Powell, Sutton and Thornley in your own injury list! Also, SOL will play regardless of how fit he is, so that leaves you with Charnley and Crosby.

A winger and (an out of form) prop, isn't quite the same as missing your 1 and 7, potentially your 6 and 9, potentially your second row and arguably best centre!

Derby week indeed!

Potentially we could have missing: Roby (he has to pass his head test), Burns (x-rays tomorrow on cheekbone), Percival (definitely), Lomax (definitely), Walsh (definitely), Vea (definitely), Greenwood (elbow injury - no info from Saints on a return date yet) and Wellens (hip injury - no info on a return date yet).

Now granted, Roby may pass his head test, Burns' x-rays may be clear and Greenwood may be returning, as may Wello (giving us much needed fullback cover) but we don't know yet so we are looking at what might potentially be the case.

I'd be surprised if they didn't.

The talk last week was that Greenwood was going to get the week off last week as a precaution. James Roby is a tough little bug*er and won't miss this one and Burns will be fine.

I fully agree that if they play you'll win and that's why I know this talk of 'let's send the kids and write it off' is nothing more then derby week banter.

Both teams will be about 4 or 5 down from their first choice 17's IMO. One team is in far better form then the other and will suit what's a disgraceful pitch at the DW far better.

Thornley no but Charnley, Lockers, Powell, Crosby and Sutton would all be in a first choice 17 at the minute without question.

O'Loughlin is a few weeks off by the way and is running the kids Easter training camp with Charnley so you can certainly rule him out.

O'Loughlin aside, the rest are pants. It's like us missing Dawson, Howarth, Grey Viane and Dom Faunati.

For me if either Burns or Roby are out, or both, we should send the kids in and play no first teamers. Simply an impossible task. Not that Wigan are good, but if we're missing Roby and Burns, I doubt we'd beat most SL sides.

Don't think wello playing

Their talent wasn't the discussion. Regardless of how good you think they are (or are not) they'd be in a first choice 17 at Wigan.

And there's been that much moaning on here about injuries I'm expecting Grey Viane might not pull through either!

I was pretty confident this time last week.... Now with the injuries we have and the state of the pie dome pitch I'm not to sure. The forwards need to stand up in this one as with the recent weather and forecast it could be a mud bath.

The forwards stood up last week. Hopefully this week all the backs have hot their worst game out of the way. Burns should be back on form and Wilkin will hopefully just get the basics right, and get his kicks away earlier. A kick to deep is far better than a kick charged down.

didn't really mention last weeks forwards performance. I know they stood up i didn't suggest they didn't. However, its Wigan away on good Friday on a crap pitch... chances are it may get bogged down in the middle of the park.

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If Burns misses out then Hohaia to 6 and Wellens back to 1 maybe. Looking at this we will need to turn into a forwards slog given we'll be back to getting little to no creativity out of the the halfbacks

Is Hewitt not even a remote possiblity'

Why would we possibly want to play a halfback @ 6 or 7 ? Dont be silly we have second row's and utility players for that ....

I sincerely hope not, would be a ridiculous game to throw him into.

Couple more knocks and we might see him on Monday though . . . .

It's been done before. Boxing day 1996 one Lee Briers enters stage right.

Then plays Wigan on Good Friday 1997.

A very bygone era...

More recently Scott Moore

Nathan Ashe played half back for us in a victory at the JJB once. Leon Pryce was next to him though and played a blinder.

Now quite comparable, given the boxing day game was a friendly and then he had played 5 more games (4 of which were competitive) leading up to the Good Friday match he played in.

To be fair Hewitt is older than Briers, but then the game is very different to what it was even 10 years ago in terms of incessant physicality.

As for Moore - that was Millward at his player welfare best throwing a 16 year old in for a debut at the JJB. It didn't do Moore any favours in the longer term IMO.

Ashe - I don't remember him playing in the halves against Wigan? When was that?

Potters last year, maybe?
The standout moment was Pryce kicking a 40:20, then getting the ball at 1st receiver from the resulting scrum and scoring himself from 20 yards out.

According to Saints heritage society, though, I've totally made that up.

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion but personally I think thats rubbish. Players are normally held back because they arnt physically ready , Moore was never frail looking. Scott Moore has plenty talent he's just lacking common sense.