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| Quote ="Saint Simon"but with a background in basketball, he should have great ball handling skills, it should be the best part of his game'"
He does bounce it quite a lot - doesn't that count???
The raw spped and agility he has could make an outstanding finisher, the try he scored passed Saints - not the length of the field one, the one down the stand side was an outstanding bit of work. In relatively confined space his pace took him passed 2 or 3 good defenders to score a fabulous try something Saints haven't had the option to do for a good while.
Yes he has defensive problems but considering he didn't start the game as a kid of 6, 7 or 8 like most players do these days it was always going to be difficult to learn the basics when Cullen threw him in right at the deep end.
Do the club have any outstanding wing prospects in our academy? Armstrong is a decent prospect but certainly doesn't look to have the pace to go the length of the field against anyone. Potential young wingers for 2010 Foster / Lomax / Bradbury are all destined to play in other positions.
If Penny wasn't expensive I would happily have him as a bit of a project at Saints but wouldn't expect him in the first team for 12-18 months while he learns the finer points of the defensive side of the game and then gradually introduce him so his confidence isn't obliterated due to one bad game
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| Quote ="Sadfish"Penny has all the attacking capabilities he needs to be a GREAT winger, however, in defence he lacks experience due to the lateness he got into the game and I hope in a few years time he will come good.
It sad that people bag him so much, he's a young inexperienced lad and needs help to become somethign impressive, I hope he does move up as we are short of good top class wingers in this country.'" Great post, think your spot on.
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| Quote ="Sadfish"Penny has all the attacking capabilities he needs to be a GREAT winger, however, in defence he lacks experience due to the lateness he got into the game and I hope in a few years time he will come good.
It sad that people bag him so much, he's a young inexperienced lad and needs help to become somethign impressive, I hope he does move up as we are short of good top class wingers in this country.'"
That inexperience also manifested itself at times when he taunted other players as he was heading to score.
Some of his opponents will have taken this to be arrogance , and that from a player who has achieved very little.
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| i wouldnt mind penny at saints can he be any worse than meli or gardner. every time a kick goes to meli i fear the worst
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| Quote ="fry"i wouldnt mind penny at saints can he be any worse than meli or gardner. every time a kick goes to meli i fear the worst'"
Which is odd given your sig...
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| A couple of urban myths to put to bed:
Penny has very good handling, especially in the air.
His weakness, which was accentuated by our problematic left edge defence, was his reading of attacking lines. This was a focal point of oppositions efforts, leading his confidence shattered.
The biggest culprits for bagging him, was his his own 'supporters'.
He's been playing the game for five years, pretty raw by any standards.
His greatest ability isn't the fact he is quick, he has an excellent change of pace and step and can use them effectively.
Being throw in at the deep end, as referenced above hampered his progress more than helping it.
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| i do need to change my sig that was from when i had hope in ade
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| I would think it would be a good signing. Despite how maligned he is, he is no worse defensively than Francis Meli is in a big match. Put him with Gidley and he wouldn't be able to make all that much damage on our own line. In attack he'd score 30 tries.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I would think it would be a good signing. Despite how maligned he is, he is no worse defensively than Francis Meli is in a big match. Put him with Gidley and he wouldn't be able to make all that much damage on our own line. In attack he'd score 30 tries.'"
Exactly. He has his defensive problems but they are coachable. I'd take a winger that fast tomorrow, he could be turned into brilliant player.
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| I'd have Penny at Saints! I know he makes cock ups but decent coaching would help that and playing him alongside Gidley he'll get space to move! I know it was a different era but Meninga created so many tries for Sean Day... and Penny is definately better than Day. Mind you, Meninga was better than Gidley is. I still believe we could make him a better player at Saints. Eastmond would have to improve his kicking game or we could use Moore at 7? I think Price needs to stop sulking, shed afew pounds and in doing so get his pace back, then I'd have him in left centre with Meli or Gardner on left wing.
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| He is not exactly the thinking mans Francis Meli, is he?
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| Why is everybody so liberal minded about players from other clubs making abominable cock ups on a weekly basis yet apparently keen to have Francis Meli boiled in oil at the first sign of a knock on?
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| Quote ="Dux"Why is everybody so liberal minded about players from other clubs making abominable cock ups on a weekly basis yet apparently keen to have Francis Meli boiled in oil at the first sign of a knock on?'"
Probably because Meli's a seasoned, overseas international on significant cash, whereas Penny is a young player with potential given the right coaching.
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| Quote ="Dux"Why is everybody so liberal minded about players from other clubs making abominable cock ups on a weekly basis yet apparently keen to have Francis Meli boiled in oil at the first sign of a knock on?'"
Because Meli has cost us two Grand Finals perhaps?
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| If Saints signed Kevin Penny he'd be verbally crucified every week, regardless of age or experience.
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| Quote ="Captain Dave"That inexperience also manifested itself at times when he taunted other players as he was heading to score.
Some of his opponents will have taken this to be arrogance , and that from a player who has achieved very little.'"
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| Quote ="Dux"If Saints signed Kevin Penny he'd be verbally crucified every week, regardless of age or experience.'"
Or it could swing the other way. He'd gain confidence from steaming in for so many tries and might turn out better in the fumble department. Sullivan wasn't all that hot early in his career and he turned out okay.
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| Kevin Penny wouldn't score any more than Gardner. Ade's ability to finish when being tackled close to the line is his greatest (and most ignored) asset.
Didn't London hold a "Prop Idol" open trial once (half as a publicity stunt)?
We could go to all the amatur clubs from the surrounding areas asking for lads to enter. Get the press in, let speccies in to watch for free....
Candidate must:
Be between 18 and 20
Be 6' 1" minimum
Weight 13st odd minimum
Be able to run 50m in less than X seconds
Be able to run 100m in less than Y seconds
Be able to run 400m in less than Z seconds
Must have two arms (with hands)
Run the above tests to sort the wheat from the chaff and then go into skill tests to find the best rugby players.
You never know, you may unearth a gem.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Kevin Penny wouldn't score any more than Gardner. Ade's ability to finish when being tackled close to the line is his greatest (and most ignored) asset.'"
Whilst I agree that it is his best asset, I'm not so sure it's that much better than many other wingers in the league.
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| Just imagine what he could do with a world class centre like Gidley. He would be worth a punt in my book.
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| Would be good to see some real pace. At the right price would be worth
a go.
The thing with Gardner is that you know the mistakes and limitations
will show but there are no real positives anymore.
Are Celtic after a winger ?
Feck off Ade Give a rookie with pace a go !
Keep Meli for this season then feck him off and get some more
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"Kevin Penny wouldn't score any more than Gardner. '"
Even if Penny dropped half of his chances, he'd still probably score more than Gardner. Gardner's ability to squeeze in the corner seems to be dwindling along with everything else. He tries his best and thats fair play to him but Penny has the one asset that our three-quarter line heavily lacks, and with good coaching could be devastating.
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| BREAKING NEWS : penny and graham in transfer swap deal
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| Quote ="Smurf"Even if Penny dropped half of his chances, he'd still probably score more than Gardner. Gardner's ability to squeeze in the corner seems to be dwindling along with everything else. He tries his best and thats fair play to him but Penny has the one asset that our three-quarter line heavily lacks, and with good coaching could be devastating.'"
Tony Smith? Potter? No contest!!
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| No, no , no and well no sorry Kevin.
After publically humiliating himself at Knowsley Road (when it was Knowsley Road) against us in the Cup that was enough for me to know we should pass.
If he gets better then yes but he needs some more weight on him the lad, looks like hese been on the ryvita for the last 20 years.
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